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I just hatched a clutch from a cinnamon het pied X cinnamon het pied breeding. I got a normal, a cinnamon, a piebald, a cinnamon piebald, and this snake. I know for sure that it's a super cinnamon, but is it a piebald or just a really whacked out ringer? To me, it sure looks like a pied. The two silver blotches near the tail and the snow white belly that creeps up the sides look like typical pied markings. My biggest reservation is that it looks totally different from the panda pied produced a few years ago. Either way, it's an awesome little snake and I'll raise it up and breed it to find out for sure. I'd be interested to know what everyone thinks. -- Glenn

Brandon Osborne Has some Pied stuff / Urban Camo balls very Close to this guy. Shoot him an email he will be able to help you. BTW that is one beautiful python you have there! Stunning either way.

Brandon and I are great friends and have partnered on many projects over the years and continue to do so (just to give you an idea on my experience with this particular combo). Last year we produced the second "urban camo" type ball and have a pretty good idea of what is going on here. What I would be willing to bet you have is a super cinny that is het pied. As of right now, we have not yet proven either of the first two "urban camos" as het pied, but should be doing so this season. As possible het pieds (neither of the first two we produced could be a visible pied), we are currently operating under the theory that the pied gene in heterzygous form mutates multi-gene combos even though it shouldn't be visible. Very cool snake! Good luck, hope this helps!

Clint Bartley

Thanks for your input. All of the het pied cinnamons I have produced have been ringers, so what you're saying makes sense. Unfortunately, it looks like I have a female here, so it will take a few years before I can breed her to a visual pied to see what I get.

Amazing snake but I'm afraid this is a ringer.
I think Super cinnie pieds are higher white like the cinnamon pieds.

I hope it dose prove to be the super cinny pied I hope they are not all high white
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Jason Amos

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I hope it dose prove to be the super cinny pied I hope they are not all high white
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Jason Amos

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Regardless its very cool. Congratz!
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Pythonidae-Empire

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I would have to go with a super cinnamon het pied, based off how our panda pied looked as a baby, as well as how the animal looks compared to the super black pastel het pieds we have made.

We have made some very unusual high white ringer super blacks with that look like low white pandas, but are not, and this animal in my experience with multiple clutches of super blacks het pied would fit into those lines.

A nice looking animal at the least, and a great female to have on the shelf!

I'm going to say its a het. I produced a silver bullet last year that is very similar. Same as my super pewter.
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