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My thoughts post Sanderson Trip.

PHFaust Jun 21, 2012 03:27 PM

First off, each and every one of you owe a BIG thank you to John Lassiter. You may want to say "She's playing favorites" but each and every time I was annoyed this weekend, I took it out on him.

I spent much of the weekend thinking of you all. I was in Sanderson, fielding your abuse complaints, checking on the forums as I became able to access the internet, deleting more than deserved to be deleted probably from the forums.

As we pulled into Sanderson I looked over at Jeff B and said "I hope the younger kids take time to listen to the older herpers and learn a few things that they can use down the road".

I hope that for you too. This weekend in the land of Alterna with many of the original road cruisers, I sat and listened. I asked questions. I gathered the stories and took what information I knew would work and what was the story of the "Biggest bass in the books" stories. I took information I could apply practically to my world and what I was doing and left everything behind.

This is a talent you all need to start to learn. It wasn't about who was right or who was wrong, but what we learned from each other along the way. It was about learning and doing together. It was about the reptiles. It was about the snakes. There were no egos involved when we sighted things. It was general camaraderie. It was about shared passions and not who was right.

Next year at the Sanderson event, I would really like to see more of you out there. I would love to sit at the banquet between Frank, Rainer, Doug, Kerby, Jorge, John and Thomas and listen to you each talk on your common grounds. I would love to see each and every one of you walking the cuts, stopping to see what the other found, talking in the morning about Langtry, the 9 mile, the 16 mile, 2400, the microwave cut, the railroad cut and more. Sharing defeat as easily as sharing victory.

When Jeff was taking me to the airport monday morning I groaned and mentioned how I had to try to deal with the kingsnake children. He looked at me and informed me that I was now an Alterna girl. I had herped the holy land and I had better embrace that. Not sure if I am ready to do that yet, but what I really want is you all to get your butts in the field and remember WHY you are here. Remember WHAT we are here for. Not egos, the snakes.

There is no one way to keep snakes. That is 100% correct frank. But there are things that you can learn from each other if you can get past the egos. Let's see if we can try.
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Replies (20)

GerardS Jun 21, 2012 04:18 PM

Sounds like it was a lot of fun, cool deal. I would rather go south for the dry's and annulata but I guess alterna would be cool. Speaking about being about the snakes, any snake pics?

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PHFaust Jun 21, 2012 09:30 PM

>>Sounds like it was a lot of fun, cool deal. I would rather go south for the dry's and annulata but I guess alterna would be cool. Speaking about being about the snakes, any snake pics?
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Photos of the people, the sites, the lizards, the bugs and the snakes.
Sanderson Snake Days

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a153fish Jun 22, 2012 08:20 AM

Enjoyed the pics! I only saw one Alterna, though the Annulata was very cool. Yet my favorite pic was of Wonder Woman, and Captain America, lol. Looks like ya'll had fun.
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Jlassiter Jun 22, 2012 09:12 AM

>>Enjoyed the pics! I only saw one Alterna, though the Annulata was very cool. Yet my favorite pic was of Wonder Woman, and Captain America, lol. Looks like ya'll had fun.

LMAO.......btw....I wasn't Wonder Woman.....lol
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PHFaust Jun 22, 2012 12:33 PM

>>>>Enjoyed the pics! I only saw one Alterna, though the Annulata was very cool. Yet my favorite pic was of Wonder Woman, and Captain America, lol. Looks like ya'll had fun.
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>>LMAO.......btw....I wasn't Wonder Woman.....lol

HAHAHAHAHA I love that photo description!

Maybe next year we can all be superheros down there together. Of course after my blog post about my atrox, not a single one of you will ever take me seriously again
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GerardS Jun 22, 2012 01:09 PM

Now that sounds like it would be a epic trip, we have got to get everyone there next year.
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gerryg Jun 21, 2012 05:05 PM

Glad you had a great time Cindy. If Maine weren't so far away I'd have been there.

As far as the thank you to Mr. Lassiter... although I have never said it here in the forum I have often thanked him for what are by and large unbiased commentaries... so John, for the record, thanks. It's been a pleasure hearing what you have to say.

Cindy, because I do respect you I will heed your short and sweet e-mail... enough is enough... I'll stick with playing in the forums where people can, and do, respectfully disagree with one another.

"I hope the younger kids take time to listen to the older herpers and learn a few things that they can use down the road".

Age has nothing to do with wisdom Cindy... you are a case in point.

Gerry

GerardS Jun 21, 2012 05:08 PM

Yes, age has nothing to do with anything, experience does.
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FR Jun 21, 2012 05:21 PM

Hi Gerry,

You talk about respectfully disagreeing. Thats kinda the underlying problem.

Its not about that. to agree or disagree is not something required, its about listening or thinking, or comtimplating or To consider, or entertain other lines of thought. No one ever asked for anyone to agree, but folks should listen when envolved in a discussion. Cheers

GerardS Jun 21, 2012 05:27 PM

Yes, everyone listening and talking without insults, it would be nice.
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Jlassiter Jun 22, 2012 07:52 AM

>>As far as the thank you to Mr. Lassiter... although I have never said it here in the forum I have often thanked him for what are by and large unbiased commentaries... so John, for the record, thanks. It's been a pleasure hearing what you have to say.

No problem Gerry....and thank you for that!
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John Lassiter
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FR Jun 21, 2012 05:12 PM

Caught my first blairs in 1970 and my first alterna in 1971, on Juno Rd. North of the bridge.

Whats cool was, the first alterna phase I ever saw, I found. Before that they were academic. They were read about but not seen.

And yes, it was all about the snakes, back then and now. I wish I could have made it, but I did find some good stuff here.

I am glad you had fun and when are you going to do the alterna boogey?(what you do after you catch your first alterna)

PHFaust Jun 21, 2012 09:24 PM

>> I am glad you had fun and when are you going to do the alterna boogey?(what you do after you catch your first alterna)

Had I seen an alterna, I would have dropped it at Jeff's feet ever so subtly so he thought he found it. I was only interested in that which rattles.
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pyromaniac Jun 21, 2012 05:17 PM

I have a friend who is in west Texas now. He's had a couple of good reptile/amphibian days there so far. On his trip through west Texas on the one night drive he made from California he found 4 western diamondback rattlesnakes, 6 Texas long-nosed snakes, 2 glossy snakes, one night snake and one Texas banded gecko. Where he is visiting the neighbors brought him a 4-foot Yellow-bellied Water Snake, and they've found two Texas Rat Snakes, lots of Houston Toads, tree frogs, green tree frogs, an anole, and a red-eared slider.

I would love to go to a shindig like the Sanderson thing. I did recently find a ring neck snake, an alligator lizard and a toad in my garden! LOL!
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Jlassiter Jun 21, 2012 09:11 PM

Cindy....it was a blast and made me forget all about the arguing and egos (including my own) here......

I have herped West Texas a handful of times and have yet to find the coveted alterna.......but I've seen my share of subocs, longnoses, black tails, pituophis, leps, wdbs, splendida, night snakes, garters, coachwhips, scelephorus and gex.....

I was able two find a male sceleporus merriami near Eagle Nest Creek and a female one cut west of him.......and I kept a male longnose that has terrific color......

I applaud Jeff Adams for putting this all together and I expect this to be a legendary annual event......it was great to have Andy Gluesencamp and other TPWD there to hear our concerns and to help them with our citizen herpetology.

The talks were great and it was fun seeing everyone again and all in one place.....

I would like it if there was an expo on the last day....other than that one idea it was a blast......it was so fun we are headed ther on the 30th 0, then to the SD zoo and back to Sanderson on the way home for some more Trans pecos herping.....
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John Lassiter
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PHFaust Jun 21, 2012 09:27 PM

>>Cindy....it was a blast and made me forget all about the arguing and egos (including my own) here......
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HA! Except for my pissing and moaning about it.

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>>I was able two find a male sceleporus merriami near Eagle Nest Creek and a female one cut west of him.......and I kept a male longnose that has terrific color......

Found quite a few of those myself. The first almost tricked me into thinking there was a hidden rattle the way he was hiding in the cut.

>>I applaud Jeff Adams for putting this all together and I expect this to be a legendary annual event......it was great to have Andy Gluesencamp and other TPWD there to hear our concerns and to help them with our citizen herpetology.
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>>The talks were great and it was fun seeing everyone again and all in one place.....
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>>I would like it if there was an expo on the last day....other than that one idea it was a blast......it was so fun we are headed ther on the 30th 0, then to the SD zoo and back to Sanderson on the way home for some more Trans pecos herping.....
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I look forward to next year. Everything looks to be that this will be an annual event. Andy was a true herper and only wanted our side of things to be good. To show that we are really just good people. Ya know, helping stranded motorists, assisting at an accident scene, clearing trash. Oh yeah and looking for snakes!
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Nobody Jun 22, 2012 04:43 AM

It is all about the snakes. Which is why we're all here right.

When one starts to brag about how long they've been doing this, and the ego gets in the way, I have to wonder if they're getting senile in their old age.

Jlassiter Jun 22, 2012 07:51 AM

>>It is all about the snakes. Which is why we're all here right.
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>>When one starts to brag about how long they've been doing this, and the ego gets in the way, I have to wonder if they're getting senile in their old age.

Man....I don't believe Cindy wanted any of this name calling in her thread.....I think you missed the entire meaning of the post.
Read it again with an unbiased opinion......understand what happened in Sanderson and embrace the meaning of that post.....

Regards,
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John Lassiter
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PHFaust Jun 22, 2012 12:37 PM

>>>>It is all about the snakes. Which is why we're all here right.
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>>>>When one starts to brag about how long they've been doing this, and the ego gets in the way, I have to wonder if they're getting senile in their old age.
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>>Man....I don't believe Cindy wanted any of this name calling in her thread.....I think you missed the entire meaning of the post.
>>Read it again with an unbiased opinion......understand what happened in Sanderson and embrace the meaning of that post.....
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Hopefully one day it will sink in. Either that or eventually they will remember, my snake is the biggest one in this game.
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thomas davis Jun 22, 2012 01:20 PM

cool, maybe i can make it next year since its gonna be an annual thing.

XOXOXO,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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