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Is there a picture of an adult ghost anywhere? I've only seen a couple of baby pictures and think they look amazing, but if there's a picture of an older one I'm looking in the wrong places to find it and am curious what they look like?

How do you all think an animals base natural color translates into genetic morphs? Just wondering what everyones thoughts on that are. My example from something else, is that with kenyan sand boa's, it seems like the more dirtied up less attractive animals actually make the hotter looking morphs... how do you think natural brb colors relate to morphs? Obviously this could get really subjective to each persons tastes, but I'm still just wondering what everyones thoughts on it are.

Thanks!
Charlie

We haven't seen pictures of a real Ghost BRB as an adult yet as there are none that we know of. Mike Lockwood produced the first Ghosts in 2010 I believe, and I haven't heard of any others yet. Though from what I have seen of how they are aging, I believe that they will look very much like the adult Hypo a few posts down that is extremely pale.
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Aubrey Ross

www.SlipstreamSerpents.com

Thanks for the reply, I think part of what got me thinking about it and made the little light bulb light up in my head realizing that I haven't seen an adult ghost was when you said that girl reminded you of one...or however you'd put that anyways. It made me do a little looking around and all I've seen are just a couple of pics of babies, no adults, so it really made me wonder how many are out there, and how they actually do turn out.

Charlie

And unfortunately for Mike from the work done by he and Robert Seib trying to produce ghosts it appears the Seib line Anery is not a true recessive trait. Out of 80 total babies in four litters from "double Het x double het" pairings not one single visual anery was produced. There were 20 Hypos and the two babies that look like what we thought a ghost would look like. The rest were all normal looking babies.

To date nobody has produced Sharp line Anery Ghosts. There are at least two litters of DH's out there that I know of. One by Ken Ketsuwan in 2009 and one I produced in 2010. Ken may be on track to produce Ghosts this year.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I had no clue there was that little out there in the direction of ghost stuff! Unless there are more people just sitting on their own double het for ghost projects and not saying anything?

That's also really odd for the numbers you mentioned with the other line of anery, had it been attempted at breeding towards double hets before the line was proven out genetic really? Still odd to have the two ghost appearing babies though in those litters, especially with no anerys?

Now I'm scratching my head trying to remember the add that had been up that had a picture of a small ghost in it a few months back...I'd thought the add said there were 4 or 5 ghosts...maybe I'm just remembering wrong and it might have said just two.

Definitely adding to my anxiety about wanting the next couple of months to pass quickly so hopefully if the litter from my hypo arrives safe and healthy I can see how many and what kind of m/f ratio I'm going to end up with...and then wondering how hard it might be to possibly come up with a Sharp/EBV double het male after that.

Thanks again for the reply's to help answer my questions, I really feel like I'm behind right now and trying to catch up on what's really going on with these lines of animals...hopefully soon whatever confusion I have will start to get cleared up...then again, but that time I may have some all new and improved confusion to replace it with...lol.

Hope everyones weekend gets off to a great start!
Charlie

Yeah, it was a crushing blow for Mike, Robert had bred his "anerys" and produced more but I don't think he actually produced "hets" and then produced anerys from the hets. A key breeding trial to prove the morph.

There should be some available, I have one Sharp/EBV DH male available from my 2010 pairing. I also have a different pairing this year to produce more. Those are due 08/14.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Good to know Dave...if I manage to hit on a few females from what'll be a possible double het pairing, then I'll be in the market to look for a definite double het male to prove them out with.

Thanks!
Charlie

I still haven't stopped thinking about that...I still don't get how there could be two ghost appearing animals and not a single anery. That would be insanely bad odds to just not hit on an anery from a group size that big...and wouldn't the "ghosts" prove that the two gene's aren't allelic or stepping on each other from showing?

Definitely weird!

Exactly, the results were very weird. And yes, it was never "proven" to be not recessive.

80 babies from a DH recessive x DH recessive statistically should result in........

5 Double visuals
15 Visual A (pos het B)
15 Visual B (pos het A)
45 visual normal (pos het A and pos het B)

2 Ghosts and 20 Hypos would easily fall into statistical variation but NO Anery is the real oddity.

I've not seen or heard anything ever from Robert on the subject and I heard he was getting out of BRB's.

I have talked with Mike and lots of theories bounced back and forth but nothing ever stuck. Mike also got out of BRB's IMO at least partially related to the ghost project.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats