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Darn thing was INSIDE my rabbit pen, had killed my mama rabbit, the babies were hidden behind her and she had bitten him numerous times, he was injured and bleeding, I didn't see him at first, reached in to get her out and saw his head draw back just in time to miss getting bit. I was upset as heck with mama rabbit dead and him almost getting me and I killed him. Hope that doesn't upset anyone that I killed him but darn that was a close call and poor mama rabbit! Luckily babies are old enough to eat on their own. I took a picture of him laying next to the dead mama rabbit but don't want to post it unless its OK so as not to upset anyone.

>>Darn thing was INSIDE my rabbit pen, had killed my mama rabbit, the babies were hidden behind her and she had bitten him numerous times, he was injured and bleeding, I didn't see him at first, reached in to get her out and saw his head draw back just in time to miss getting bit. I was upset as heck with mama rabbit dead and him almost getting me and I killed him. Hope that doesn't upset anyone that I killed him but darn that was a close call and poor mama rabbit! Luckily babies are old enough to eat on their own. I took a picture of him laying next to the dead mama rabbit but don't want to post it unless its OK so as not to upset anyone.

If I were you I wouldn't have posted that.....
And I wouldn't ever kill a snake that is already "rounded up" and slaughtered here in your state....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Well since kingsnakes kill them I really didn't think it would cause a stir but oh well, sorry

>>Well since kingsnakes kill them I really didn't think it would cause a stir but oh well, sorry

Kingsnakes only do if that opportunity arises....they don't seek them out and kill them......

Most here are reptile enthusiasts that would never want anyone to kill any turtle, snake, lizard or amphibian........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I didn't seek him out either......He did however seek out my rabbit and kill her, would have killed my babies had I not found him when I did and would have bitten me. Whoever moderates can just delete the thread and my account too if it's that big of an issue.

It's not a issue with the site, John was just saying how some people love rattlesnakes. I am one of those people and it was not something that needed to be done. The snake was only doing what it is supposed to do, not breaking in to your house to steal your tv. Think about it.....

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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

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GONE FISHING!!!

Yep.....most of us would've removed the snake and let it go down the road but not too far.....then we would've come home, buried the wabbit then snake-proofed the rabbit cage......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Gerard is that you in the photo and if so how did you keep a rattlesnake that large from turning around and striking you? Noob question I know but i'm really curious.

This post smells of a fake post, a setup to start something.

Again I for some reason think people are not that stupid. I could be wrong but I think this person did this to get a rise out of folks. Which is why there was no picture.

Here's your picture Jack, nothing fake about me. In this world "THE REAL WORLD" it's kill or be killed. I have no problem not coming to this forum, I lived in the real world for 47 years without it, and I'll live another 47 without it.

Apologies! Your post happened right befroe mine. Still, though, next time screen your hutch to protect your rabbits, relocate any rattlers if you can safely manage that. There are a lot of other animals that will decimate a rabbit colony; minks are the worst! And raccoons, foxes, coyotes...This sort of thing is like people killing mountain lions because they ate some goats and sheep the people conveniently put out in unprotected pasture like a meat buffet.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

>>Here's your picture Jack, nothing fake about me. In this world "THE REAL WORLD" it's kill or be killed. I have no problem not coming to this forum, I lived in the real world for 47 years without it, and I'll live another 47 without it.
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Ask yourself this: if you went to a site for bunny breeders and fans, how would you react to a post from someone who said they'd found a rabbit eating the carrots they'd been growing, so they beat it to death? And then posted a picture of it? Is it possible you'd urge them to fence their garden better, and to not kill the animals in the future?

I sympathize that you were frightened and i understand that that can alter our judgment. You may be (I hope) the kind of person who walking in the woods wouldn't even consider killing a snake of any kind, rattler included. I hope that for the next 47 years you can appreciate the "don't kill 'em" approach, to snakes as well as bunnies in the real world.

In Sweetwater Texas they have rattlesnake roundups where they behead dozens of them with a knife and the kids soak their hands in the blood and leave souvenir hand prints on the wall. Until we can stop that, let’s not give smit to a guy who killed one rattlesnake in his rabbit hutch that just killed his pet.

>>In Sweetwater Texas they have rattlesnake roundups where they behead dozens of them with a knife and the kids soak their hands in the blood and leave souvenir hand prints on the wall. Until we can stop that, let’s not give smit to a guy who killed one rattlesnake in his rabbit hutch that just killed his pet.
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As I understand it, this became a tradition in an area where they had a huge Rattle snake problem. Well, they saw it as a problem. These round ups were away to help keep the numbers down, and make the town people feel good. You can see the whole attitude is of killing the eevil snakes. Now it is just a tradition which is perpetuated by the revenue that it generates, and the people have come to enjoy, and expect it.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

>>As I understand it, this became a tradition in an area where they had a huge Rattle snake problem. Well, they saw it as a problem. These round ups were away to help keep the numbers down, and make the town people feel good. You can see the whole attitude is of killing the eevil snakes. Now it is just a tradition which is perpetuated by the revenue that it generates, and the people have come to enjoy, and expect it.
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And this occurs in many other towns including Sweetwater......Freer, TX has another large roundup. San Patricio, TX has a roundup and rattlesnake races......at all of these events all the snakes are killed.

Another terrible aspect of these roundups is how many of these snakes are collected. The practice of using gasoline to drive snakes out of their dens ruins habitat and kills other flora and fauna. This is an EPA and TCEQ violation in my oil and gas world.

These archaic roundups should be outlawed everywhere.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

True, yet I can understand someone feeling threatened by finding one in their back yard, and almost getting bitten.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

"True, yet I can understand someone feeling threatened by finding one in their back yard, and almost getting bitten."

I can too. This doesn't bother me at all.
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>>"True, yet I can understand someone feeling threatened by finding one in their back yard, and almost getting bitten."
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>>I can too. This doesn't bother me at all.
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I guess it bothers me because, here in Texas you can find a rattlesnake every day of the year if you wanted.....they are common and left alone by those that enjoy them.......only the uneducated kill them.....these are the same folks that made Texas indigos protected because thems snakes eat buzztails.....I just hope those fellas find out Lampropeltis do too......lol

I guess I am the type that wouldn't kill any reptile on purpose.......the type that educates everyone at work and preaches how important ecosystems are with them.......

These are the only things I'm a tree hugger about.......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

There's nothing wrong with that. That is actually a very good way to be. The killing of rattlesnakes has never really bothered me, unless people go out of their way to kill them. That I don't like.
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oh no, you just called those folks uneducated, because they kill or condone killing a rattlesnake in THEIR yard. You just pulled an FR, the unintentional insult.

But I do agree with you, I have 5 species of rattlesnakes on or very near my property(within a mile).

There is no excuse for rattlesnake roundups, and very little excuse for any person familar with snakes, like some board members here to not EDUCATE themselves on how to safely remove a rattlesnake if it actually is precieved to or is endangering a person.

All you need is a large trashcan and a shovel to safely remove a large rattlesnake. Of course, being reptile folks, they should be aware of such a device called a snake stick or even large snake tongs. Those should be acquired by anyone living where venomous snakes occur.

Personally I do not touch them on our property, if the kids or grandkids are over, we just avoid contact with the snake and watch it. ITs our version of TV.

Again, the real question is, why would that person post that HERE?

Funny but your posts indicate you can rationalize very well. Rationalizing there is reason for roundups and rationalizing when this person would kill a rattlesnake.

When In fact, nothing your thinking may have a lick of truth.

Roundups are not an overabundance of rattlesnakes, they are not taking them from their yards, they are not only taking them in a season when snakes move. They are indeed raiding dens.

They they celebrate, party, make money, on the mass killing of a wild animal.

Then this person kills a snake, then posts it on a snake forum, and you rationalize that, Sir, that is wrong. Then you rationalize that the killing of mass amounts if worse then the killing on one. Only the problem is, These one at a time killings surely overshadow the roundups.

And that rationalization is not the concern, the real concern is, why would a person kill a snake and then post it on a snake forum. Then expect some of us would "like" that. The answer is, WE don't. Take your dead snake somewhere else.

Cindy again should see right thru this one. Let me use a really horrible example, you do not behead a christian and throw the body in a church or post it on a church wedsite. See i told you it was bad.

The point is, anyone posting that here, as motives. So what are the motives.

that I said. I did not try to rationalize the round ups nor the killing of this snake. I am however trying hard to avoid your posts, please return the same favor, as you only bring out the worst in me sir, Cheers!
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

how come your not asking the person why on earth would they post murdering a snake on a snake forum? To me that is the real question and it always boils down to the real question. One answer is, to watch us goofballs fight amoungst ourselves.

Why do you think a person would post that here? Cheers

>>how come your not asking the person why on earth would they post murdering a snake on a snake forum? To me that is the real question and it always boils down to the real question. One answer is, to watch us goofballs fight amoungst ourselves.
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>> Why do you think a person would post that here? Cheers

I think she was excited, and surprised by the whole thing, and wanted to share it with others. She may not have thought it thru, but then was pounced on by a few people, so that put her on the defensive. Once your in a corner you come out fighting. You thought it was a made up story, so she posted the picture, in response to being called a troll. She did not post the pic right away did she? This is exactly what I have been saying about "certain" peoples posts here. The way posts are worded can initiate certain responses. Then it becomes an emotional response, more than an intelectual one.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

>>In Sweetwater Texas they have rattlesnake roundups where they behead dozens of them with a knife and the kids soak their hands in the blood and leave souvenir hand prints on the wall. Until we can stop that, let’s not give smit to a guy who killed one rattlesnake in his rabbit hutch that just killed his pet.
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Soooooo because sweetwater celebrates in animal torture, we should ignore when a reptile owner comes here bragging of killing a snake?

I always hope we are above the killing. That we as reptile owners understand the natural world and that we are infringing on habit and need to learn to co-exist. That a snake in the wild killing a captive prey item is natural. And reptile owners, especially owners of snakes, would have the ability to relocate an animal rather than completely mauling it.
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I would have to disagree with this statement.
"And reptile owners, especially owners of snakes, would have the ability to relocate an animal rather than completely mauling it."

I personally would not try to capture a large Venomous Rattler in my yard. Even the best of handlers have been bitten, and I would not risk my wealfare, or my family's in doing that. It is also unlawfull for anyone to relocate a rattler, unless you have the proper liscence. A small one I may try to scoop in a bucket or something, but I wouldn't try that with a large one. I could call wild life department, but by the time they get here it would most likely be gone. I don't celebrate the killing of anything, but I'm not sure what I would do if I find a large one in my yard? I love snake, but I also love my dogs, and my wife, and my son. This is a touchy subject I know.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Just call me, I'll go grab it for you.
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

I think Fish and Game would get here quicker, lol. But I may take you up on it, lol.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

>>I would have to disagree with this statement.
>>"And reptile owners, especially owners of snakes, would have the ability to relocate an animal rather than completely mauling it."
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>>I personally would not try to capture a large Venomous Rattler in my yard. Even the best of handlers have been bitten, and I would not risk my wealfare, or my family's in doing that. It is also unlawfull for anyone to relocate a rattler, unless you have the proper liscence. A small one I may try to scoop in a bucket or something, but I wouldn't try that with a large one. I could call wild life department, but by the time they get here it would most likely be gone. I don't celebrate the killing of anything, but I'm not sure what I would do if I find a large one in my yard? I love snake, but I also love my dogs, and my wife, and my son. This is a touchy subject I know.
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I do not have the hands on, but I know that I would be capable of using a trash can. Frank also made the point that had you killed it, you wouldnt bring it up here as a bragging situation. Hell if I can trap a skunk in a trash can without getting sprayed, I can do a rattler safely. Contain it and call fish and game. I do it all the time with less predictable mammals. We as reptile keepers at least understand the abilities and behaviors of reptiles. I have had to contain a rattlesnake twice at grade schools over an hour away. This was before I even started interning for handling. Brooms and trashcans are a blessing. Either that or I am just WAY better than the average reptile keeper (and as much as I would like to believe that, we all know it is not true).

One thing of note however, if they are hanging around, there is a reason. Get rid of the food source, the snakes may move on to better hunting.
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Now I feel like a total whimp!

The garbage can might work, but if I get bit, at least right some nice things about me!
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Didn't Jeff shoot a rattler in his yard recently?

I don't like killing rattlers, but there are times I understand it. For instance, when my in laws killed one that was in their house...they didn't want to try to capture or restrain it and wait for me so they killed it quickly. Stuff like that's sad but I can't find myself getting too worked up over it.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.

Your folks did not post it on a Snake forum, thats what is questionable.

I have lots of friends that kill rattlesnakes, i try to teach them how to remove them. But none of them post it on a snake forum. If one of my friends did that, I would indeed ask for the reason they did that. If they could not come up with a good reason, they would indeed be a little bit less of a friend.

The reality is, people kill rattlesnakes on sight, that is NORMAL. What we here are suppose to do is EDUCATE those folks and teach that that killing the snakes is NOT the only option.

I agree with everything you said. I was just responding to the idea that reptile people were beyond/above killing rattlesnakes, and that every time it happens it is an outrage. I don't view either of those as totally true. Yes, posting it on a snake forum is stupid as hell.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.

Killing of rattlesnakes occurs where I live on an hourly basis. I saw one last night in the area, the night before, etc etc. All just going to and from the Circle K

There are thousands in are housing areas around here. And about 275 people get bitten a year. The vast majority of bites are very minor, but the bad ones are horrible.

I have had three hot bites, by three species of rattlesnake and all three were very minor, swelling but not much more.

The thought that a snake bite is life threatening is very offbase. Bad bites can be. Bad bites are very rare.

The actual point is, why would a person post that here?????

I think they are intentionally trying to start trouble. and they did. Cheers

>>Didn't Jeff shoot a rattler in his yard recently?
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>>I don't like killing rattlers, but there are times I understand it. For instance, when my in laws killed one that was in their house...they didn't want to try to capture or restrain it and wait for me so they killed it quickly. Stuff like that's sad but I can't find myself getting too worked up over it.
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>>We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.

Dunno if he did, but if he did, I would have read him the riot act. As much as I want to shoot the animals that destroy my garden, it is my fault they have no where else to hang. Of course I also wonder why all the wildlife lives in my yard instead of my neighbors.
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I also think this is possibly a troll going fishing.

But in case not, rattlesnakes do a great job controlling vermin, and should be relocated if at all possible, not killed. I find them in my woodpile occasionally and get them into a 5 gallon bucket with a spin top lid wih air holes, and take them up country a little way were they are less likely to encounter people.

Are you sure you did not kill a bullsnake instead? People are always killing bull snakes thinking it is a rattler.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

your post would have been better suited on a rabbit forum. But this is not a rabbit forum its a snake forum and snakes do kill and consume rodents.

So yes, it offends me that you killed it. So please go post on a rabbit forum. You do understand, the world belongs to snakes as well as other animals, including rabbits. The snake was only doing what is natural to it.

Its your responsibility to keep your rabbit hutches snake proof. In all reality, its your fault. Thanks and have a good day

If you want to see something funny, go on a mouse forum and ask about the best way to breed rodents for snake food. Yoou don't get to stay there long, lol!
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

>>If you want to see something funny, go on a mouse forum and ask about the best way to breed rodents for snake food. Yoou don't get to stay there long, lol!
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>>Gerard
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That is why we have a feeder forum on kingsnake. We have always come down hard on herpers asking about feeder care. There however is a tactful way to ask.
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Why do you come down hard on them?

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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

>>Why do you come down hard on them?
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>>Gerard

Because there is a feeder forum on kingsnake. If you are going to go to the pet world, you have to realize there are rules of conduct. That is pet, we made you an area to work with the feeder aspect. Of course reptile people can just ask about care and such, but the minute you are referring to feeding off the animals, you are doing nothing more than trolling.
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The person who told me about that did it totally without bad intention. He really didn't think it was bad, just the wrong place and like you said, you people think it's trolling no matter what. Some people don't think about things sometimes, it's not alway on purpose. Not that I care, I'm use to saying things people don't like, I understand what you're saying, though.

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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

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GONE FISHING!!!

what about asking how to raise certain feeder herps?
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.

>>what about asking how to raise certain feeder herps?
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>>We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.

Feeder forum. Thats why we made one
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