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Holy Mongrelkings!!!
2012

my holdback "Mongrelking" from last year
named " headlights " he is PH ws, axanthic, hypo, lav.albino

some of last years Mongrelkings coming along nicely

some of this years
hopefully this lil girl will get real black. im shooting for ws with a black racing stripe

some more from 2012

best this year... so far...
just as sweet as tupolo honey, axanthic ws mongrelking 2012

,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Some of those are very interesting Thomas.
A lavender white sided would look killer too.....

They are interesting to me because some times one can breed two different subspecies whos ranges are separated by another subspecies and produce offspring that resemble that subspecies in the middle....with getula there seems to be a relict east to west and west east gene flow......

I've witnessed something different with the hybrid mexicana Ive seen.
In Mexico it seems the relict gene flow is from south to north.
I've seen many ruthveni x mexmex crosses that resemble their cousin to the north of them....leonis. Ruthveni is the southern most kingsnake there is....is it the relict grandfather to the tricolors on the North American continent? Or is it those Central American giant triangulum? Or massurana?

There is something that can be learned from hybridizing, but it irks me to go to expo to see so many hybrids labelled incorrectly......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yes, hybrids like these could be interesting, if they looked different enough. These hybrids just look like ws splendida, nothing cool about them in my opinion. All the hybrids named MONGREL don't seem to look good, nothing like carpondros or bat eaters. I would add the leucistic Texas gene to go with the ws obsoleta gene, that has awesome written all over it.....lol!

I'm just messing with you Davies, congrats on the babies. I'm sure they will find their way all over the place.
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

>>Yes, hybrids like these could be interesting, if they looked different enough. These hybrids just look like ws splendida, nothing cool about them in my opinion.

Yep....Splendida are smack dab in the middle of Nigrita and Floridana....thus the Splendida look you are seeing in an animal that has no splendida in the mix. I don't know if they are "cool" or not but you made my point and that is what is "intersting" to me.

All the hybrids named MONGREL don't seem to look good, nothing like carpondros or bat eaters. I would add the leucistic Texas gene to go with the ws obsoleta gene, that has awesome written all over it.....lol!
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>>I'm just messing with you Davies, congrats on the babies. I'm sure they will find their way all over the place.
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MIT 2012!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

There is nothing cool about them I was just trying to be a bit civil for the forum.
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

I forgot, did you try the photo bucket app? Call me I will show you something else cool I found for the iPad.
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

>>I forgot, did you try the photo bucket app? Call me I will show you something else cool I found for the iPad.

I haven't tried it yet...I will try and call you later.
Thanks....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

thanks john, hopefully i will get some F2's next year

,,,,,,,,,thomas
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Sorry to be so illiterate, but what is a mongrel. what does that mean?

More like, Holy crap those are beautiful. I like the white sided ones. If you need me to take one or two of those off your hands just let me know. Seriously.

DAVY

thanks
a MONGRELKING is a cross between l.g.nigritus X l.g.floridana
pure getula

,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

I'm not sure they are pure getula. Recently Common Kings were lumped and getula is now referring to Eastern Kings. Common Kings from the eastern USA I.e. Florida, Apalachicola and Chain Kings are now Lampropeltis getula everything else is not. Genetically they are different than Black Kings, cal Kings etc...they are pure Kings just not pure Getula according to science.

Plus, there's the possibility of the ws gene coming from the black rat, as one expert pointed out. I think a real ws black king would look really cool and it looks like daive is going to make something close, to bad the affects the rest will have on everyone. To each their own, it's good to live in a place where you can do what ever you like.

For real though, you did get the look you were shooting for, that part is cool.
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

>>I'm not sure they are pure getula. Recently Common Kings were lumped and getula is now referring to Eastern Kings. Common Kings from the eastern USA I.e. Florida, Apalachicola and Chain Kings are now Lampropeltis getula everything else is not. Genetically they are different than Black Kings, cal Kings etc...they are pure Kings just not pure Getula according to science.

Yeah, but in that CONTROVERSIAL "paper" the new Species, L. californiae included splendida but it did not include nigrita. To me splendida and nigrita are the same snake one is just a melanistic form just as there are melanistic californiae.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I agree it's controversial. I personally don't like it and I wonder if anyone is gonna put up something to refute that paper. There was a lot written of genetics in the paper most of which I didn't understand lol.

"I agree it's controversial. I personally don't like it and I wonder if anyone is gonna put up something to refute that paper. There was a lot written of genetics in the paper most of which I didn't understand lol."

From what I've hear, just because the paper was written, doesn't mean its official now. It has to be widely accepted by the scientific community, but I don't know what the status is on that. I didn't understand everything either, just the range map. lol

newgetulamap (2) by RossAZ480, on Flickr
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Eventually they'll find out what everyone already knows.....they are all related....mtDNA Nd Nuclear DNA will eventually determine a single relict ancestral snake......

What ever happened to taking phenotypes into consideration?......color, pattern, scale counts and other meristics.....

Cuz, I know for a fact that those common kings found out by the east side of the pecos river are not holbrooki.....they are splendida through and through....

Another controversial paper is the one in regards to knoblochi and pyromelana....phenotypes seem to be ignored nowadays.......and that is what was used so long ago to classify our animals.....I guess it's a lost art with technology and all......

These aren't splitters by the way Thomas.....if they are, they are the kind of splitters that are lumping......splitting species and lumping subs.......incorrectly in my honest opinion.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That is one messed up range map.......all I can say is someone needs to get out from under the mushroom.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>That is one messed up range map.......all I can say is someone needs to get out from under the mushroom.
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Lol.......
I agree.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

LOL I agree too. They have the California kingsnakes in central AZ listed as Desert kings, and MBK's as CA kings. WTF???
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"They have the California kingsnakes in central AZ listed as Desert kings, and MBK's as CA kings. WTF???"

Yeah, these people have the classifications and map looking just as screwed up as many classified ads out there.

It was all working just fine the way it was. What's next, ......square wheels???

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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LOL np
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>>LOL np
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Oh, that was real smart. lol
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its ok lucy lu dont fret none sweetie, they are trueblue getula. irregardless of what " science " says
taxonomist/splitters just have to justify their jobs in some way that paper really doesnt change or mean anything.

,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

I dont know why we haven't seen the scaleless gene from the texas rats hybridized into stuff like this.... Imagine a scaleless WS Axanthic or MBK... Great looking stuff man, now get to the scaleless gene lol!
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Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.
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941-323-4850

thanks
these are trueblue getula... i wouldnt mix them w/obsoleta but i do like the scaleless mutation and i can definately see working it into some other future projects down the road

,,,,,,,,,thomas
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com