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Need advice from a poopie (worm) expert.

deetu Oct 05, 2003 12:40 PM

Merlin's vet check went well but his fecal showed pinworms which Panacur was prescribed. He is to take it once a week for three weeks.

The first week was fine. First poop after med was soft but okay after. Now, after his second dose, his poop is really wet and loose AND smelly for three days (so far). Is this normal after worming? I tried calling the vet but he will not be around until tomorrow.

His appetite is great, eating 30-40 small crickets a day and some veggies (not much) I realized his color is probably off because of the worming. He is active and alert. Should I worry?

thanks for any advice. (he likes the taste of the wormer

Replies (7)

B22 Oct 05, 2003 02:00 PM

Hi
i used 1 1/2 year long panacure and it not workt for me .
it looked they builed up and the worm got resistent.
every time it came back after 2,3 months.
then when i whas hopeless some people advice me parazap.com
after 1 week tea 1 week no tea and then again 1 week tea i whas ride of the worms.
now i used it every month 5 days on a row prefentif.
i would adivce it if the worms come back after u used panacure.
byeeeeee

CheriS Oct 05, 2003 02:15 PM

one of the most effective and safer to use drugs on bearded dragons. It is also one of the main drugs that breeders and rescues use to "shotgun" treat animals since is is effective the the side effects rare if any. Ideally you would have fecal's done on a single pet, but we you get 10-20 in a week that is a bit cost prohibitive so breeders and rescues will treat them and then watch to see who still has problems... thats called shotgunning.

Yes, it is normal to have a change in their feces while on this, it is actually killing the worms in their digestive tract and making them pass through the digestive system. Hence the beardies system is digesting them.

Depending on the worm they have, it can also in extremely large infestations, cause such a mass die off that they become constipated, because the drug does work so well, so you have to keep them well hydrated during treatment. If they did become impacted, a few drops of a vegetable oil will usually work to help them pass it through.

The first dose of panacur kills the adults, the second dose is to ensure that all were got and to kill off the ones that hatched since. Some vets prescribe a third dose to make sure any the dragon has ingested during treament are killed also.

Parazap and other preventative I agree have their place, and I do use them, but when you are working with a dragon that is heavily loaded or showing other signs the parasites or worms are affecting them, I do not hesitate to use the medication. I have seen too many pathology report of the damage that untreated parasites and worms can cause in bearded dragons to take that risk.

Many people who contact us thinking they may have yellow fungus disease, actually have coccidia or worms that have entered organs or most commonly the bile ducts of the liver and that is what is causing the yellow in the dragons, we ALWAYS have them have the animals checked for those first and I have never seen where anything but drugs will get to those and those are the ones that will be fatal if not treated.

B22 Oct 05, 2003 02:25 PM

hi
every one told me a diferent dosis.
i have a feeling i gave first to weak dosis panacure and then every time i gave a stronger solution.
then i have build up resistentie ,so the worm whas strong enough to deal with the panacure.
on the last time i gave 2 times the dosis they prescribed.
so maybe the first time not the good dosis can be the problem of me.
but i know for horses they also deworm and they alsways advice to give once a while a other brand then it works better.
byee

CheriS Oct 05, 2003 03:02 PM

resistant that the ones in the US. They have been around a lot longer than ours or also the meds my have the same name but be different.

I've used panacur or a form of it for over 30 years now and its always been very effective, I can not remember a time that we had worms come back (unless they were in the same situation that caused them in the first place)or it not work.

deetu Oct 05, 2003 06:10 PM

The vet's office said he had pins and sold me the meds. They didn't say he had a bad infestation, thank goodness. No coccidia, they checked for that too.

Could my son or I pick up pin worms from him? I thought I read that this kind stayed in the lizard family only but you start thinking.

deetu Oct 05, 2003 09:06 PM

thanks

ToniaD Oct 06, 2003 02:29 AM

...I would imagine they could be passed on to us from dragons; they can be passed to us from dogs & other animals. It's usually passed through the fecal-oral route. The key is to ALWAYS wash your hands before & after handling your dragons. Also, you should change any clothing that comes into contact w/ an affected dragon.
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