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I just saw some pictures of hypo prairie kings and i was wondering who all is working with them and has a hybino been produced yet?
I have seen the albino's before but this is the first time i seen the hypo's how long have they been around?
I must say they are beautiful and I hope to get into them someday.
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Michelle
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I saw my first one in 2007 (hatchling for $700 bucks) so they were around just prior to that obviously, but not in the hobby mainstream yet at all. I don't think a hybino has been produced just yet (could be wrong though) but I know they are definitely in the making and could even be appearing this season from some of the guys working with them. Jimmy Tintle, Mitch Mulks, and Dave Niles are just a few that are working with them, but they are still quite rare in the hobby and most of these people have a good waiting list going for them. There are going to be a fair number of hets being produced too of course since not everyone has homozygous hypo pairs that is working with them.

cheers, ~Doug
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Thank you for that info Doug, ill have to check some of those guys out.
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Michelle
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You're welcome Michelle....

good luck with it!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Phil Peaks just recently posted a really nice hypo he now has that was recently captured in rural Kentucky.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1987222,1987253

Also, a member that goes by "flintdiver" that posts once in a while over on the milksnake forum has a small group of hypos and hets he is working with too. He posted this nice specimen there back in Aug. 2011.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1940790,1940967

~Doug

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Thank you for that info. What price do you think the hybinos will go for once they are on the market?
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Michelle
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Well, when they do become available, I wouldn't think they would be a whole bunch more than hypos to be real honest, because amels have already been out there for quite some time, and the visual appeal of the hypos themselves seem to be much more sought after. I wouldn't think there are many KNOWN hybino's (if any) out there just yet, because the first hypos were only known from Mark Bell who initially produced some hypos from some normal stock back in 2004-05, but only had them available to the public as far as I know in 2007. So getting hatchling hypos raised, then cross the amel gene into them, raise those back up, breed them to each other and proving any of those out with 100% certainty isn't likely to have happened just yet unless Mark Bell maybe did initially or soon thereafter with his original ones, I don't know. I was told about a big lot ONLY of so-called "hybino" Prairie's that were for sale last year but I am BETTING that they were all POSSIBLE hybinos and would have to be bred and proven-out later on, and NOT definite hybinos themselves, especially for the ridiculously low price he was asking for them. The time-line just doesn't seem to correlate. A general range of what you might expect hypo hatchlings to go for would be somewhere in the $200 - $250 range.

Michelle, there is a 2010 hypo for sale right now on the classifieds.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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I agree...I wouldn't think a "hybino" would be much more than a hypo since they would visually look like an amel, but when bred to a female hypo it would yield all hypo offspring.

I think a striped hypo would be nicer in my opinion....

BTW....Nice to see you here Michelle...
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"I think a striped hypo would be nicer in my opinion....'

Heck yeah! Jimmy and I were just talking about that tonight, and I'm sure there are plenty of people trying to locate some of those striped calligaster that we used to see more of years ago.

Those would definitely be fun to see!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Hey John, good to be back and thank you for the information. I really think I might give the thayeri a break and pursue some of these.
Doug thank you for the link you sent me and all the info. I can't wait to see the striped variety. Sounds very interesting, could you imagine a striped albino? I bet that would be the creme of the crop.
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Michelle
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Michelle, the funny thing about this hobby is that there are always things popping up that folks would assume would pretty much always be available after they entered into the hobby. What you mentioned is another perfect case of this, because there were a fair number of striped amel Prairies back in the 90's, and there is even a nice example in Markel and Bartlett's 1995 "Kingsnakes and Milksakes" pamphlet book on page 33.

You just don't see certain stuff around any more like you used to. This hobby is a never-ending evolution and certain things can come back full-circle and become popular again after being gone, but other stuff disappears forever, and can never be brought back.

Here is another striped amel I located off the internet. This guy is strictly into hognose morphs now. (I'm so surprised!..LOL!)

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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>>Hey John, good to be back and thank you for the information. I really think I might give the thayeri a break and pursue some of these.
>>Doug thank you for the link you sent me and all the info. I can't wait to see the striped variety. Sounds very interesting, could you imagine a striped albino? I bet that would be the creme of the crop.

Back in the day striped albinos were killer animals....and as Doug said they sorta disappeared in the hobby.....similar to the melanistic thayeri......

I, too am going to cut back on some thayeri and concentrate on some other things.....Like Pyro morphs and California king morphs...and even some ratsnakes....yes ratsnakes....lol

I'm kinda getting back to my roots and have been doing alot of field herping again lately......I hope do get some locality splendida going again as well as some alterna......

Michelle....You know if you pursue these you will have to get into all the locality Mole Kings too....I know you have some Mole kings already, right?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yes John, i still have my mole kings I hope the female is bred this season.
I plan on adding a few more to the group soon
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Michelle
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Doug and Michelle- the hypos I have are from my buddy Martin Hess.These animals originated from the Bell's and are 2008 stock. Martin got them,a pair, and raised them up and bred them in 2010 and produced 2 clutches from his female.Each clutch yielded all hypos and at least one albino from this pairing.He sold most of those offspring at shows in Atlanta and Birmingham. In 2011 the pair produced 2 clutches again,one clutch ( a small 3 egg second) had only one hatchling that came out and it is an albino. The first clutch was all hypo. So these original 2008 adults are obviously also het albino. I have all the animals from this pairing in 2011 and am planning to breed the father back to 2 daughters as soon as I can. I will keep ya posted on resuts,one of them(albino) may go next season. She is growing like a weed. Unfortunately I lost the original adult female shortly out of brumation,unknown cause,was completely fat and healthy. Big bummer for production this season! Hope this helps - Paul

Thank you Paul for sharing that info, do you have any pictures? Id love to see some.
thanks again
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Michelle
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Thanks for the info there Paul, great stuff!

Yeah, so apparently since your homozygous hypos also produced a couple of albinos (and were obviously het amel), that then proves them to be definite "hybinos". That now proves there are at least a few known hybinos out there.......thanks!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Forgot to ask what are hypos and gets running?
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Michelle
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All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful,
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I am working with a select group and I have produced a visual striped hybino this season. I've working towards striped hypos. These are some of the neatest kings around in my opinion.

I just had a nice clutch hatvh out, I'll get some pics up at some point. Good choice in a new snake to add to the collection.

Wow, a striped Hybino! Congrats, may I ask how you know it's a hybino? What were the parents? Would love to see some photo's. Congrats!
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Both parents are hypo het albino. I have an adult hybino female that is partial striped and I'm waiting on her first clutch to hatch. I'm hoping for some nice striped babies from her.

>>Both parents are hypo het albino. I have an adult hybino female that is partial striped and I'm waiting on her first clutch to hatch. I'm hoping for some nice striped babies from her.

Very interesting.....
Could you possibly share some photos?
I would love to see some more Hypos, Stripes and Amels.......And even a Hybino....Is the Hybino phenotypically different than the amels?

I have seen different shades of amels from yellow to orange to red......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Can't wait to see pictures and I am super excited about starting this new project. thank you for the info
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful,
The Lord God made them all.