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a153fish Jul 11, 2012 09:59 AM

This little girl has a blue sheen like Axanthic Floridana often do.


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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Replies (53)

foxturtle Jul 11, 2012 10:29 AM

Basically looks like a floridana. Weird. Must be typical of those east Louisiana types.
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a153fish Jul 11, 2012 10:39 AM

>>Basically looks like a floridana. Weird. Must be typical of those east Louisiana types.
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Pretty much the way I remember them as a kid, but I don't remember the blue hue. Too bad I only got 3 eggs this year, unless she double clutches.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Jlassiter Jul 11, 2012 10:46 AM

>>Pretty much the way I remember them as a kid, but I don't remember the blue hue. Too bad I only got 3 eggs this year, unless she double clutches.

Typically that blue will go away with the first shed.
The holbrooki from my neck of the woods are more yellow (especially in East Texas). Those in western LA are "salt n pepper" kings because they are more white/cream yellow than those west of them.

But....there has been a few axanthic holbrooki found in the wild.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

a153fish Jul 11, 2012 11:12 AM

Like I told Doug, all the ones I remember were black and white to begin with so, would an Axanthic from that line even be noticeable? Maybe in a side by side comparison it would? Still the I expect the blue to fade as you already stated.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Jlassiter Jul 11, 2012 11:18 AM

>>Like I told Doug, all the ones I remember were black and white to begin with so, would an Axanthic from that line even be noticeable? Maybe in a side by side comparison it would? Still the I expect the blue to fade as you already stated.

Yep...Kinda similar to the anery or axanthic black and white california king.....lol

The w/c axanthic holbrooki I saw was a young adult and had that bluish hue.......But I've seen axanthic Splendida in the wild that were balck and white....the only bluish axanthic Splendida I've seen were in captivity.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

a153fish Jul 11, 2012 11:43 AM

I went and looked at the parents, and the belly is very white, but the specks on top have a tinge of maybe gold, but it is very slight. It may not be gold but a dirtiness? I'll see what the other two eggs hatch out like, if they hatch. One is pipping, the one with the heavy mold is not yet.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Jlassiter Jul 11, 2012 11:50 AM

>>I went and looked at the parents, and the belly is very white, but the specks on top have a tinge of maybe gold, but it is very slight. It may not be gold but a dirtiness? I'll see what the other two eggs hatch out like, if they hatch. One is pipping, the one with the heavy mold is not yet.

Typically with Holbrooki and Splendida that are light in color the yellow, gold or cream yellow is near the dorsum.....unlike calikings with white bands and yellow coloration on their ventrals and sides....

Cool....I really like Holbrooki.....I wish more folks did.

I bet those Eastern Louisiana Holbrooki would make some killer Whitewalls and amels....almost snow looking.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

DMong Jul 11, 2012 01:44 PM

Yeah, here's where some of that can get pretty trick too along with many other pigment-related issues..LOL!

Melanophores - contain mostly melanosomes and are capable of two forms of pigment production. Eumelanin is brown to black and pheomelanin is orange to rust or rusty brown.

So apparently the orange/rusty-brown colors don't always necessarily pertain to xanthophores.

I have a feeling that this awesome "hypo" BRB might be a perfect example of this too.

~Doug

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Jlassiter Jul 11, 2012 05:02 PM

What also comes to mind is how the lack of melanin affects the other pigments as well in amelanistic tricolors.

With amelanistics tricolors, the red is much brighter without melanin present....so is yellow.

So the old topic rears its ugly head again....can a kingsnake that does not normally express red (like a california king) have an anerythristic morph?

Maybe there's red in there that we cannot physically see but with the lack of those red pigmentation cells maybe the white and black/yellow we do see is affected.....

Is a black and white getula an axanthic by definition? or not?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

DMong Jul 11, 2012 05:54 PM

"What also comes to mind is how the lack of melanin affects the other pigments as well in amelanistic tricolors.

With amelanistics tricolors, the red is much brighter without melanin present....so is yellow.

So the old topic rears its ugly head again....can a kingsnake that does not normally express red (like a california king) have an anerythristic morph?

Maybe there's red in there that we cannot physically see but with the lack of those red pigmentation cells maybe the white and black/yellow we do see is affected.....

Is a black and white getula an axanthic by definition? or not?"

Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't believe a Cal. king can be anerythristic at all. It would have to normally express shades of red in it's normal phenotype. They can definitely be hyperxanthic and axanthic though since yellow (xanthin) is a huge part of their natural color scheme.
I also don't think a black and white getula would qualify as "axanthic" by definition unless it is pertaining to a mutation preventing the production of yellow pigment (xanthin), not just because it is black and white in itself.

That BRB is very perplexing though, as it is greatly reduced melanin, as well as possibly being EXTREMELY hypoxanthic. That would also include any possible red xanthophores (erythrophores).

•Red xanthophores (erythrophores) - pterinosomes (drosopterinosomes) are rich in drosopterins which range from orange to red and even violet. These cells are more easily seen on histology than their yellow counterparts and can be seen in the pictures at the top of this page.

Here is another major factor involving how our eyes can perceive certain coloration. These cells themselves don't actually contain any pigment cells, but they can have a great affect on the other chromatophores that do when light passes back through them.

Iridophores - while possessing all the organelles of the other chromatophores, the iridophores primarily use refractile platelets formed by crystals of the uric acid based DNA components called purines. Specifically the purines hypoxanthine, guanine and possibly adenine. Basically these platelets act as prisms and refract light to form certain colors and interact with different pigment bearing chromatophores to vary the colors. These are also the cells that make our eyes see greens and blues when light waves are reflected back through the yellow xanthophore layer.

But even with all this stuff, it can often only leave more questions than hard answers..LOL! Hey, did you read or save those awesome links I posted earlier?. That stuff was interesting as all heck to me.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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DMong Jul 11, 2012 06:33 PM

If a black (or dark brown) and pure white were bred to a very yellow coastal, and they naturally made intermediate shaded offspring, it would be very normal (and expected) since yellow is more of a dominant color in them over white. Now if you bred any of the intermediate offspring back to the very yellow parent and 50% of the offspring were pure white, it would prove the pure black and white individual was indeed a recessive gene axanthic even though you couldn't tell by it's outward visual phenotype. It would be similar to producing hypo Hondos from pairing a known hybino x amel het hypo.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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DMong Jul 11, 2012 06:41 PM

I meant if you bred one of the yellowest intermediate offspring back to the black and white and you produced some pure black and white's it would prove the black and white to be axanthic since getting pure white ones from yellows wouldn't seem very possible normally. I guess you would have to raise them up for a while too since they can yellow substancially as they mature.

As you already know, it would be a pain though going through any of this when black and whites are everywhere anyway though. I'm sure this is why nobody has bothered..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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RossPadilla Jul 11, 2012 08:04 PM

If the black and white Cal kings were really axanthic, then their white should be yellow normally (if they were not axanthic). So, there shouldn't be any intermediates that are between white and yellow. How does that sound?
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DMong Jul 11, 2012 11:14 PM

Yeah, that is the basic point there I think. Since it would typically be a recessive axanthic gene, the first generation would typically be varying yellow-ish intermediates, but the following generation when back-bred would produce some pure snow white and black ones if they were truly axanthic, and I think there would still be some sort of yellow pigment invloved with the offspring.

Or say it isn't recessive and it is a co-dominant gene instead, you should be able to breed a dark brown or black and very yellow coastal to a black and snow white and get pure white coloration in 50% of the offspring. Again, I think there would still be some yellow involved with breeding these opposite phenotypes.

Isn't that pretty much how you see it too? I see this as pretty much a moot topic though since anyboby can go out and grab either kind whenever they choose to..LOL!!

~Doug
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DMong Jul 11, 2012 11:23 PM

...anyone interested in a real nice "xanthic" splendida?....

~Doug
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Jlassiter Jul 11, 2012 11:27 PM

>>...anyone interested in a real nice "xanthic" splendida?....
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No prefix?

Is that like melanistic instead of hypermelanistic?....lol

My yella gal has got to be hyperxanthic, eh? Ontogenetically speaking.....
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a153fish Jul 11, 2012 11:34 PM

My head is spinning from reading all that, and trying to understand it, lol! So I will just post a pic. The second Speck is out. It looks just like the first one.


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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

DMong Jul 11, 2012 11:44 PM

Very cool, Jorge!.....those are great lookin'!

Sorry for inadvertently high-jacking your thread with all the nonsense..HAHAHA!!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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a153fish Jul 11, 2012 11:52 PM

Not at all Doug, it was in context with what I was asking, and I enjoyed it.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

DMong Jul 11, 2012 11:58 PM

...yeah, I almost had to go get some Excedrin while thinking and typing all of it too..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Jlassiter Jul 12, 2012 12:01 AM

Nice Jorge...

But I was kinda hoping that it looked different, possibly making the other one a morph......

One more to go.....great looking holbrooki......one of my favorite getula.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

RossPadilla Jul 12, 2012 12:13 AM

Funny you said that, that's what I was thinking too.
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a153fish Jul 12, 2012 08:19 AM

>>Funny you said that, that's what I was thinking too.
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Thing is, I hatched similar ones before years ago, as a teenager. However I never paid attention to little details like I do now. So the blue hue caught me by surprise. It is probably typical of the kings in that area.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

RossPadilla Jul 12, 2012 08:38 AM

Yep, its all about learning. I experience something new every time I breed my kings, which is the part of the whole process.
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a153fish Jul 12, 2012 08:15 AM

>>Nice Jorge...
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>>But I was kinda hoping that it looked different, possibly making the other one a morph......
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>>One more to go.....great looking holbrooki......one of my favorite getula.....
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>>John Lassiter
>>Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

RossPadilla Jul 12, 2012 12:12 AM

Very cool, Jorge. I'd feel better about them being axanthic if at least one is not bluish. But, I guess you'll be a little more sure after they shed anyway.
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a153fish Jul 12, 2012 08:14 AM

>>Very cool, Jorge. I'd feel better about them being axanthic if at least one is not bluish. But, I guess you'll be a little more sure after they shed anyway.
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That's what I was hoping for actually. If the second one did not have the blue color, then I would have gotten pretty excited about the first one. The third egg didn't even pip yet, and it had quite a bit of mold on the bottom, so I made a small slit on the top just in case. I hope I at least get a sexual pair, as I need a back up pair.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

RossPadilla Jul 12, 2012 08:31 AM

I can't just make a little slit and leave it (LOL) I have to poke it and make sure its alive or the suspense kills me. lol
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a153fish Jul 12, 2012 08:36 AM

>>I can't just make a little slit and leave it (LOL) I have to poke it and make sure its alive or the suspense kills me. lol
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Luckily I am busy working in the yard for the last week. By tonight if I don't see a head poking out, I will, lol.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

DMong Jul 11, 2012 11:41 PM

"No prefix?

Is that like melanistic instead of hypermelanistic?....lol

My yella gal has got to be hyperxanthic, eh? Ontogenetically speaking....."

Yeah, I was just goofin' there anyway as you know..LOL!

Heck yeah, your yella gal is definitely an ontogenetic hyperxanthic. If that one isn't worthy of the term hyperxanthic, I don't know what is...

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Jlassiter Jul 12, 2012 12:00 AM

>>"No prefix?
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>>Is that like melanistic instead of hypermelanistic?....lol
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>>My yella gal has got to be hyperxanthic, eh? Ontogenetically speaking....."
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>>Yeah, I was just goofin' there anyway as you know..LOL!
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>> Heck yeah, your yella gal is definitely an ontogenetic hyperxanthic. If that one isn't worthy of the term hyperxanthic, I don't know what is...
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Jlassiter Jul 11, 2012 11:25 PM

I agree with all that and everything you posted but I believe the point I was trying to make was completely missed......

Since the absence of some pigmentation affect the other pigmentation who's to say that a black/brown and white/yellow snake doesn't have some masked erythrin........

I know the "anery" zonata show some erythrin at birth then the black pigmentation overtakes it......

I'm just thinking out loud and do agree 200% that it would be a pain the ass to prove out animals that are already available with that phenotype.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

DMong Jul 11, 2012 11:32 PM

Yeah, I definitely know what you are saying, and fully agree. Not everything is simple, or "cut-and-dry" at all regarding the countless pigmentation scenarios with snakes. Very far from it.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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RossPadilla Jul 12, 2012 12:08 AM

"Since it would typically be a recessive axanthic gene, the first generation would typically be varying yellow-ish intermediates"

The first generation would be a yellow bred to a white, right? If so, the F1's should not look intermediate if the white is axanthic. But besides all that, there are no pure snow white desert phase Cal kings from the wild that I know of anyway. They always look white, but up close in person, most are a off white, to creamy yellow, especially on the ventrals. Then there's some that are pure white above with creamy yellow venrals. Anyway I think you know this and we both know they are not axanthic anyway. lol
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DMong Jul 12, 2012 02:07 AM

LOL!!,..yeah, I see what you are saying. It would depend on if the black and white was a normal white or a normal yellow that IS white because it's axanthic!..LOL!!

I think we'd better call it quits on this silly axanthic Cal. king nonsense. My head is hurting now too..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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DMong Jul 12, 2012 02:13 AM

If I ever see one that has a very blue-ish hue to it's pure white color that doesn't look like a cross of some kind AT ALL!, then I will accept that there is a known axanthic Cal. king..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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RossPadilla Jul 12, 2012 03:16 AM

Maybe some day when that super secret project is reveled.
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DMong Jul 12, 2012 11:44 AM

That will definitely take some convincing...

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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RossPadilla Jul 12, 2012 03:14 AM

I agree lol
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foxturtle Jul 12, 2012 08:07 AM

The ones I've seen in West LA were high yellow like the TX ones. Eastern LA were more like the ones Jorge has.
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a153fish Jul 12, 2012 08:08 AM

>>The ones I've seen in West LA were high yellow like the TX ones. Eastern LA were more like the ones Jorge has.
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That's correct! These were from New Orleans. I should call them Katrina Kings!
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

fliptop Jul 13, 2012 01:49 PM

Funny, when I first saw a peanut butter het in person, I thought it looked like a baby speckled king.

DMong Jul 11, 2012 11:01 AM

Sweet, Jorge!

That would be awesome if the blue-ish hue doesn't disappear and you did produce an axanthic holbrooki!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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a153fish Jul 11, 2012 11:09 AM

Well, for a minute I started thinking. I know look out, ha ha. But what if the eastern Louisiana Specks are a Axanthic population? I mean all the ones I saw living there were Black and white, almost silver. A better question might be...how would I know? If they are black and white already. I'll have to take a closer look at the parents and see if the white has a yellow tint to it at all?
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

DMong Jul 11, 2012 01:26 PM

Yeah, if they naturally have any light creamy yellow/beige at all, they wouldn't quite be defined as axanthics. Similar to the longnose comparison photo Ross posted a ways down. It showed a light creamy/beige yellow and red next to a true axanthic specimen.

But regardless, they are sweet little holbrooki you produced there either way.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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GerardS Jul 11, 2012 12:18 PM

Cool, are those from the wc animals you have?
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a153fish Jul 11, 2012 12:53 PM

Yeah, this is her first clutch, she is still small. I didn't even try to breed the second female. These guys sure don't grow like Florida Kings.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

RossPadilla Jul 11, 2012 02:41 PM

That's really cool, Jorge. Have any others come out looking like that yet?
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a153fish Jul 11, 2012 03:06 PM

>>That's really cool, Jorge. Have any others come out looking like that yet?
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Ross, there's only 3 eggs. One is pipping. I'll be sure to post pics when they emerge. That will be interesting to see if they all 3 look the same.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

joecop Jul 11, 2012 06:18 PM

Nice Jorge. I hope to one day pair my male up!! They are some nippy little buggers though!

Joe

KcTrader Jul 12, 2012 07:09 AM

Nice One and two, Jorge! Congrats, looks like you have a few other pippers in there too..
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a153fish Jul 12, 2012 08:03 AM

Yeah those are the Lavenders still coming out. Two more this morning, just one more to leave his egg. The Pink Pearls should start pipping any minute? They were laid two days after the lavenders. These lavenders should be 2 X Het for Anery, and Axanthic. I may have to hold a pair back?
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

a153fish Jul 12, 2012 08:07 AM

They will be 50% possible het for Axanthic. The male was a het Axanthic, and the mom was an Anery snow.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

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