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ok, what are these? emperor pin (butter pastel pin) x lemon blast (pin pastel) breeding. Clutch had two of these guys, crazy abherant pins, very brightly colored with a purple head similar to a blast. Are they maybe fully dominant pinstripes?

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Evan Stahl Reptiles
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Very interesting... But there is only one way to really find out - breed them to a normal and see what the babies come out like. Are either of them male? That would make it quicker to prove!

One should logically conclude that in the more than a decade of breeding pinstripes and the dare I say hundreds of thousands of pinstripe breedings, that if it were in fact possible, it woull have come to light by now.
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you never know. there are a million champagnes out there, how many people have bred them together? I would say very few if any. How many people would breed pin x pin when they were told for years there was no super? why were pieds and pastels both around FOREVER before Rousis bred them together? Because people who had never bred them told us there was no point, you cant combo with pieds! so nobody did, or Pete Kahl would have made 1000 of them the first year. even if not visibly different than a pin 25% of my clutch should be dominant pinstripes and 4 out of 6 eggs are pin morphs and 2 are the ones above. Coincidence? We dont know yet.
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Evan Stahl Reptiles
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I'm sorry, I forgot, there has been 1 super champagne produced. After they have been in the market for 6 years now? 7?
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Evan Stahl Reptiles
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I heard a rumor once - and it is just that - that BHB had a pin for a while that threw all pins but they couldn't say that it was a super because there was no discernible difference in appearance.

Breed him out and you will see!

I have an email into bhb on this topic, I am hoping he may have some insight for me. E
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Evan Stahl Reptiles
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a difference if it is Dominant. The homozygous looks exactly like the "het" but produces all of that mutation.

That is the difference from CoDom and Dom.... but it appears that snakes throw curve balls and don't exactly follow the "laws" of genetics. In theory things like SPiders, Pins, Calico, sugar, woma should have a Homozygous/super form that looks basically the same but throws 100% the morph.

I think the SUper Champagne is basically lethal and has the "dingy" gene in it.... it combos with other "dingy" gene carriers and makes lethal combos...so, I strongly think the SUper is a "don't do it" combo.

SATAN

>>I heard a rumor once - and it is just that - that BHB had a pin for a while that threw all pins but they couldn't say that it was a super because there was no discernible difference in appearance.
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>>Breed him out and you will see!
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"I'm sorry, I forgot, there has been 1 super champagne produced. After they have been in the market for 6 years now? 7?"

As much misunderstanding and stigma as there is for a homozygous lethal mutations (not sure hg woma or spider own up to the title even yet) I would imagine that if someone had produced a homozygous champagne when they were even more expensive most would have kept quiet about it. Kudos to David Green for letting us know about the one this year. Now the rare thing will be finding someone willing to do the pairing again to confirm the results. Great morph for lots of other combos but maybe not for champagne to champagne.
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Randy Remington
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Yes, 25% chance of being a super pinstripe, but a 50% chance of a lemonblast. The head and coloring appear that of a low grade lemonblast.

Sorry, not 50%.

IDK - looks like an odd lemon blastish snake to me - guess we shall see what it produces - you never know.

Good luck.
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Tosha

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