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Hello to the community and especially to you guys, who know me in person.
It’s been a long time I’ve been posting here, since.
Some of you still might remember me from reptile shows at Daytona Beach or Hamm.
After I was lucky to prove the Leopard Boa as a recessive Morph in 1999, I hit the odds again in early 2011.
Please allow me to introduce you to a new (co)dominant color morph I’ve proven last year.
In accordance with the beautiful influence this pattern changing Morph is going to take on the pattern of any Ball Python bred to, I’ve named it:

“Hurricane”

Following picture shows a CB12 Hurricane:

The female, imported from Africa, picked in Germany, with F1 generation from 2011 and F2 which already hatched in 2012:

Thank you very much for looking, I hope you enjoy this with me.

Hans Winner

Anyone else see a resemblence to the Liesen Line Trick here???

I couldn't put my finger on it, but I think that's it! Very similiar!

Thank you for the replies.
Yes, I also saw that they are very similar, but I also see differences. For example I think the Hurricanes are a bit more vivid patterned. We will see as soon as I produce the Superform if they are allelic. Up to then I don't want to jump on Mr. Liessen's work, of course I like the Liessen Trick also very much. And even if they would be allelic, it is garanteed a different bloodline which in my opinion would justify a own name, anyway.
Hans

Why would that justify it having a seperate name? Am I the only one who gets tired and confused with all the different names for the same morphs. Just think how confusing it would be if those who first started with pastels would have called them different things way back then. Congrats on making those animals but breed them out hen call them what they are
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Josh & Krysty Hutto

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I agree.
I am working on a dinker project at the moment and if it proves out I will name it what I want, but if it turns out someone else proved the same thing a few years back and I just didn't know, I will call it my line of whatever they named it first.

Just my opinion.
Either way, cool animals.

IMHO, unless you are pretty darn sure it's the same morph it should get a new name. Remembering that Lesser and Butter are probably (how will we ever be sure?) the same morph is way easier than keeping the two entirely different Woma ball pythons that got the same name separate. I'm no expert on the trick but if this has a distinct look and/or a different source and no evidence at all yet that it's even an allele of the same gene it should be called something different, at least until there is some evidence it’s the same. Also, people with a new line get really touchy when you try to use their name and piggyback on their marketing so new name until proven otherwise is really the way to go.
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Randy Remington
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or how bout the breed it and find out before you name it or even release any info on the project? it seems that as this hobby has gotten further away from any scientific process we have forgotten what the process of nomenclature is.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Assuming you had the resources to buy the other line before you sold any of your line the decade it would take to raise it up, breed it to your line, hit a possible super, raise it up and breed it to enough normals to confirm if the two lines are at least alleles (and I don't know how you would ever prove exactly the same mutation) would be a long time to keep the new morph from all other hobbyists. And what would you do with all the extras for all that time? I don't think the ball python bubble even lasted that long. If you’re just in it for the science share it as quick as possible and let the whole community work together to figure out if they are compatible or not and have fun with the mutation while it's still new. And if you aren’t going to keep everything from the project until there is nothing left to figure out you need to call it something.
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Randy Remington
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www.SnakeMorphs.com
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Amen, some people hate the naming and renaming, some people hate the people who are broken records about the subject.

Dave

Thank you for your opinion.
Though, the rules for giving popular names are worked out by the experience of the pioneers of breeding colorvariants of snakes.
This has absolut nothing to do with the scientific nomenclature.
But all this rules are fixed, international accepted and not a topic to discuss.
Because it is already proven dominant I named my new Morph

"Hurricane"

Next season I'll try to breed a homozygous form of it.

Looking forward to that result and giving a further name then ,

Hans

I agree every different line of the same thing dose not need a different name!
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Jason Amos

Ball Pythons
6.40
Dogs
1.1 Staffordshire Bull Terriers

Thank you very much for your opinion.
Oh yes, the confusion was really huge when a Albino Boa was bred the first time to an Albino Boa with the result of only double hets in the litter.
This is why different lines as long as they are not proven the same should'nt be named the same.

Sincerely,
Hans Winner

Yes.

Looks a bit like Next World exotics Trident also, in my opinion.
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Dave Martin
High End Royal Pythons

Hi Hans,,

Hurricane after the year we was in Daytona

cool morph.. will check it out in Hamm

mfg
Rolf
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Reptiles since 1975
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Rolf Mikkelsen
DENMARK

And Congratulations! Very nice. I remember years ago a couple of labyrinth like projects failing to prove so nice to see this intricate pattern genetic. Can't wait to see if there is a super.
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Randy Remington
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Wow Hans, I produced a L.L.T from a black pastel I bought from Gary an 09. Apparently the first. What do you think of the one that looks like a black pastel?

Thank you for posting this pics.
This is looking awesome!
I'm getting shivers up and down my spine when I see me in front of such an incredible hot project for years!

Hans

Congratulations Hans, those are gorgeous. To me, they look identical to the Trick... but very nice ones. The Trick, like most ball morphs, seems to have great range of expression. I'm hoping to experience some of that range myself later this season!

Good looking snakes Hans.

Thank you to everyone for your congartulations, opinions and comments.

Hans