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Eclipse boa was the best name that I could come up with, and I feel it does a good job describing the Leopard Colombian Motley. Believe me, it wasn't easy to come up with a name, and I know it will not please everyone! As for naming new morphs, in my very humble opinion I think it is a necessary evil. Multiple genes in a boa (or a ball) almost necessitates a "new" name, especially as more and more genes are combined into one animal. I felt 3 names for one boa was too much, and it only was going to get worse as more genes are added down the road. A Leopard Colombian Motley Sunglow would be even more of a mouthful for example. So, maybe a Sunglow Eclipse could be called a Solar Eclipse, a Moonglow Eclipse could be called a Lunar Eclipse, etc. Of course, these are only suggestions...

Thanks for taking a look at the pics, and all feedback (good or bad) is always welcomed!

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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

Really digging the morph name!! That boa is sooooooooo sickly wicked it almost hurts.. Way to go man that boa rules. Congrats

Jake

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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

That's a great looking snake, Kevin!
Congratulations!
I personally like the name and understand what you mean about the naming thing. I remember the whole Moonglow debacle.
In my opinion, I think that you produced the snake so you should name it whatever you want! Eclipse it is!
Congrats again!
Aaron
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Aaron Houts
www.voodoomagicboas.com

Thanks Aaron. I remember the whole moonglow thing too, seems like yesterday - where does the time go?!?!
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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

Congrats on a killer combo. I have always thought, if you prove a morph or come up with a new combo you hold naming rights, no matter what others think of a name. Cant wait to see how it progress'. I like the naming of combo morphs instead of just adding the names.
Them black eyes are stunning, reminds me of Darth Vader!

Good luck with them.

Mike

As much of a Star Wars fan that I am (the first 3 anyways...), is it too late to rename it the Vader boa? Maybe the next time !
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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

I like Eclipse, you nailed it. Besides I don't think you want Lucas films coming after you for copyright infringements..
MIke
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Michael A Combs Sr
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Beautiful! This animal has changed a few of my future pairings! Now that we know what the leopard and motley gene do to each other I'm sure a few other guys will say the same.

Just awesome!
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"Go Big or Go Home" Muscle Morph Constrictors Inc. Long Island, New York * MuscleMorphConstrictors@yahoo.com

Thanks Eddie. It has changed a few of my future pairings as well, that's for sure!
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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

Very nice! Interested to see what it will develop like.

I also like the name you've chosen and think "lunar" and "solar" eclipse boas would be appropriate.
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Chris Carille
Marist College, NY
Department of Biology
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Thanks Chris, and you can count on seeing future pics of him for sure!
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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

Cool name and congrats again!!!
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Richard Ceniceros

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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

Stunning animal. I love the eyes and the head shape. I like the name too, with the potential names for additions of future genes? Nicely done...Don't forget to post updates as it grows!
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Cheers,
Jessica Gibbs
Ball Pythons; Corn Snakes; Boa Constrictors; Green Tree Python; Jungle Carpet Python
www.supercoilconstrictors.com
LEARNING PREVENTS IGNORANCE OF THAT WHICH SURROUNDS YOU...AS LONG AS THE SOURCE FROM WHICH YOU LEARN IS A VALID ONE.

Thanks Jessica, and will do on the future updates!
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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

Beautiful Boas Kevin . . . . this complicates somethings else where for somebody else . . . . . . . . . . .
but as far as with me I do need to chime in Loudly . . . . .
I kind of already have dibs on everything with the Name Salor in it already.

I named my line of Super Red Pastel Boas "Solar Pastels" . . . . .
Then Solar Flares were the next generation . . . moving forward with this I've had the full intention of using connected versions of everything "Solar" as I add combinations to my project.

I thought I better put this out there so there was No confusion as I started using the Solar Pastel and Solar Flare name back in 2010 . . . . . .

IO hope to cause no hard feelings but need to stake my clain so to speak . . .

Thx Kev . . . Lar
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Boas By Klevitz

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I want going say anything but, been using the eclipse name on my img longicauda since the 08 litter

Well shoot Micah, I didn't know! I will have to figure something out for sure on this one...Any ideas?
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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

Here is a link for other languages for the color black.
http://www.omniglot.com/language/colours/index.php

Here are some words that came up when I Google for the word Black.

dusky
raven
sooty
inky
ebony
dingy
diabolic
onyx
obsidian
sable
shadow
shade
raven
kira
coal
midnight
ebony
jet
sooty
pitchy
cimmerian
charcoal

Take care
Tom
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McCarthyBoas.com

First off... Killer looking boa.
Second... I haven't posted in a while, and I DO NOT want to come across as a "hater" in posting my thoughts here.

Why a new name at all?

It is 2 morphs in one, no different that a Salmon Jungle, Hypo Motley or Jungle Motley... Hypo Arabesque.

Seems to be that Motley Leopard or Leopard Motley fits fine.

My thinking is that the Leopard pattern and contrast is soooo variable that not all Leopard Motleys may come out looking like yours. Combined with the little variables in the motley pattern, like long stripes, the banded look, the hexagon pattern and the goofy reverse patterned (or colored ones) yours could be one of only a few now and again with the "blacked out" look. Leaving other "Eclipse" not so "blacked out.

Another thing to think about is that the Leopard morph still links back to the Sonoran, so the Colombian part could be a touchy subject to some people.

Again, just my thoughts...

Congrats Kevin, on producing such a gem! Regardless of the official name, it is still among coolest boas produced IMO.

Have a good one.
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Jeff Carr
West Coast Constrictors
www.westcoastconstrictors.com

Lar, you are absolutely correct, and I will not be naming the Sunglow version the Solar Eclipse. Sorry about that!
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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

Since it is solid colored, name it the black devil, then a hypo version would be the TRUE red devil, white devil, Pink devil, yellow devil... etc....??? just a thought...
or simply black leopard, then crosses can be named after other cats....t motley leopard could be pinkish/biege- so puma, white would be snow leopard even though its not an anery/albino, clouded leopard for hypo, etc, etc?
now you got us wondering a good name! lol

Or keep it as the Eclipse since Micah's is a BCL. Much like the name "IMG" is used to describe both BCL and BCI.
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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

I think Leopard stock just went up!
I am glad to be in the leopard project after seeing this!
This just opened the door for EVERYthing in color.

I do believe that "Leopard Motley" is available!
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Chris & Alliey
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Problem is I would have to call it a Leopard Colombian Motley since the Leopard CA Motley is called the Blackberry.
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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

That is a killer snake, but is there something up with the eyes. They look disproportionately large, almost as if there is an orbital bone issue. Maybe its just the pictures or my monitor.
Can you post a pictures beside a sibling leopard and normal?

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

Dr. Booth I think that first picture that I posted in the group is just at a weird angle that makes his right eye look bulging. I just double-checked him compared to his siblings, and they don't look like they are bulging in comparison, as well as in comparison to a 2010 Leopard, a pair of 2011 het Leopards, and the 2011 Hypo Leopards that I have. It might be the dark eyes with the dark background that might make them look bigger in pics as well (there is no visible iris to provide depth perception).

I will take some pics of him with others for comparison this weekend and be sure to post for your evaluation, and anyone else.
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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

Warren, it can definitely be tough to get two boas to stay still for pics, that's for sure!
I took a bunch of pictures today of a few boas, and I am very confident that it is the angle of the shot, the setting/zoom on the camera, and the dark eyes that cause the huge eye effect. I will let you (and anyone else) be the judge:

One of my pastels born on 4/22/12. Notice how the eyes look "buggy" (especially its right eye):

The same pastel next to the Eclipse boa. Notice how the Pastel's right eye (closest to the camera) is now normal looking. Compare the Eclipses' left eye with the Pastel's left eye (furthest from the camera).

The same two boas at a different angle:

One of the het Leopards from 2011, picture taken today. Notice the right eye (furthest from the camera) looks buggy? Trust me, it's not and older pics of her are here - http://www.blumenboas.com/images/available/blu6-28-11hetleo3/index.html.
Todays pic:

One of my '11 Hypo Leopards, its left eye looks buggy in the pic:

Same Hypo Leo, but now its left eye looks fine and right eye looks buggy:

Same Hypo Leo with Eclipse boa, its left eye looks a little buggy and the Eclipse boas' eyes look ok:

Both together again, Eclipse right eye and Hypo Leo left eye look buggy:

Both together again, but at a much better overhead angle (a little blurry though). The eyes on both DON'T look buggy in this pic:

And finally some pics of the Eclipse next to a Leopard littermate:

Talk about getting lucky with this shot...!

Hopefully I have given enough proof here. I certainly am not upset about your question at all Warren, as I went and really checked him out after you asked the question. I felt like a jeweler comparing diamond rings next to each other . Lining heads on top of heads trying to see if it was in fact an issue. I concluded that I think it's a matter of how I rotate the camera above the head to take a headshot which will make the eyes look "buggy". A slightly different angle can give a completely different result. I look forward to yours or anyone else's feedback.
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Kevin Blumenthal
www.blumenboas.com

Hi,
Thanks for the pics. I am not sure buggy was the right term, more big. The eyes of the eclipse looked huge in comparison to the litter mates, but seeing these beside other leopards shows they are just like other leopards. I had a litter of leopards 3 nights ago, so will take a look at those also.

Great looking boas by the way. Congrats.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology