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This is my new favorite California King morph...

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John Lassiter
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That thing is AMAZING! Did you produce that?
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>>That thing is AMAZING! Did you produce that?
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First.....
What do you think it is?
It looks to be a Hypo Hypermel, correct?
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John Lassiter
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I've heard when the lavender gene is introduced to a Cal king that is more black than brown, the color will be dark purple. So, I'd say hyper & lavender.
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It also looks like hyper & that one morph you have that is like a desert phase hypo with black eyes.
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>>It also looks like hyper & that one morph you have that is like a desert phase hypo with black eyes.
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Yeah...but this one hatched out already hypo looking.....Those other Desert Phase Hypos hatched out black and are just turning hypo looking after a year or so....

So, even though it doesn't have the Ruby eyes you are thinking it is a lavender hypermel (Purple Passion)?
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John Lassiter
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Disregard my email....we can discuss here....lol
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John Lassiter
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LOL Well, you are right about the eyes. In that case, I don't know what the hell it is LOL What do you think it is? No hypo I know has that look.
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It could be a multi het that has that hypo/lavender look that is not genetic. Like some of the multi hets Kerby has produced, but that's all I can think of.
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>>It could be a multi het that has that hypo/lavender look that is not genetic. Like some of the multi hets Kerby has produced, but that's all I can think of.
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I picked it up as a Lavender Ghost.
I did not produce it.
BHB did.
I could not find Bryan to ask him but one of his "assistance" said it was a lavender ghost. There were more of them than the amount of money I wanted to spend so I just got one.....a male....

It is a tiny bit more lavender in person.......Looks like a purple passion with dark eyes....
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John Lassiter
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Very interesting. They might have made up that name, who knows. They have this one listed as lavender snow and it looks a whole lot like yours. Different cameras and different lighting can make the same morph look different.

2215320UPO8WwM7 by RossAZ480, on Flickr

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Could be a Lav X Ghost X hyper triple homozygote. Whatever it is, its not a Lavender ghost. Kerby has those and they look nothing like this.
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>>Could be a Lav X Ghost X hyper triple homozygote. Whatever it is, its not a Lavender ghost. Kerby has those and they look nothing like this.
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I know...a ghost is different. Kerby's light and dark ghosts have a distinct aberrant pattern.
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John Lassiter
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They were calling those ones that lighten up ghosts.....
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John Lassiter
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>>They were calling those ones that lighten up ghosts.....
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>>John Lassiter
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Are you talking about the black eyed desert phase hypo? If so, I like the name desert phase ghost.
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>>>>They were calling those ones that lighten up ghosts.....
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>>>>John Lassiter
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>>Are you talking about the black eyed desert phase hypo? If so, I like the name desert phase ghost.
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Yes...those are the ones I am talking about...
Desert Phase Hypo it is.....Ontogenetic Hypomelanism though....lol
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John Lassiter
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haha Yeah, sounds like it.

Have your double or tripple het eggs started hatching yet? Mine are almost all out of the egg with about 7 piping right now.
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>>haha Yeah, sounds like it.
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>>Have your double or tripple het eggs started hatching yet? Mine are almost all out of the egg with about 7 piping right now.
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They are at day 68 and have yet to pip.
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John Lassiter
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OK, cool. Getting really close then.
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>>Very interesting. They might have made up that name, who knows. They have this one listed as lavender snow and it looks a whole lot like yours. Different cameras and different lighting can make the same morph look different.

Okay...What is a lavender snow?
I saw those on BHB's table too but they were priced way higher than this one I got.
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John Lassiter
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What is a Lavender snow? You tell me. LOL I have no idea where they are getting these names, because they don't match the morph. The word snow has been used in place of high white and also Blizzard. Blizzard is hyper & Ame, so I don't know why they are using the word snow. I assumed the lav snow was a purple passion.
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>>What is a Lavender snow? You tell me. LOL I have no idea where they are getting these names, because they don't match the morph. The word snow has been used in place of high white and also Blizzard. Blizzard is hyper & Ame, so I don't know why they are using the word snow. I assumed the lav snow was a purple passion.
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I know what you mean.....
I still don't know what to call this one I got, but it sure looks killer....LOL

It resembles a purple passion but it has dark/black eyes....different than the few I've seen in person....
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John Lassiter
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Yeah, I'd have to say its my favorite too. I need to E mail them, I just hope someone answers that knows what they are talking about. lol
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I don't know what I'm looking at, but that thing is pretty sweet. It is what I imagine the Hypo X Hypermel would look like.
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>>I don't know what I'm looking at, but that thing is pretty sweet. It is what I imagine the Hypo X Hypermel would look like.
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Thanks Mike...I really don't know what it is either.
I purchased it as a lavender ghost but I don't know what that really means....lol
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John Lassiter
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Where'd/what'd it come from?
At first glance I thought it was a lavender snow/purple passion.
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Don't usually comment on morphs but...

Wow! That one is pretty damn cool... easy to see why it could be someone's new favorite.

Gerry

>>Don't usually comment on morphs but...
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>>Wow! That one is pretty damn cool... easy to see why it could be someone's new favorite.

Thanks Gerry...
This guy is REALLY smokin in person.
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John Lassiter
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Call it fred, I am not such any morph should be named, unless its proven to breed true, repeadedly. Then you can name it.

As it is, an individual name like Fred is suitable, whoops, what if its a girl?

Nice snake, have a great day

>>Call it fred, I am not such any morph should be named, unless its proven to breed true, repeadedly. Then you can name it.
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>> As it is, an individual name like Fred is suitable, whoops, what if its a girl?
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>> Nice snake, have a great day

That's funny....
Fredsnake......
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John Lassiter
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Read a good bit of this thread. Can't contribute anything other than to say I really like the beast. Actually I especially like the dark eyes. Very nice pick up John.

--Dennis

So did this come from B.H.B. ?

No information on the genetics?

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Yes it did.
It was in a container marked lavender ghost.
Not lavender snow or purple passion.
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John Lassiter
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All I spoke to was one of the folks helping him. At the show I just thought it was a purple passion. But when I looked at it closer at home and took photos I noticed the dark eyes.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>This is my new favorite California King morph...
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>>John Lassiter
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

>>>>This is my new favorite California King morph...
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>>>>John Lassiter
>>>>Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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>>Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!
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>>What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
>> ~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com
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John Lassiter
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Wow that's stunning. What do adults look like?

>>Wow that's stunning. What do adults look like?

I didn't produce it.....but I believe it is a purple passion (lavender hypermelanistic).

I can't wait to raise him up and pair him up with some of my females.
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John Lassiter
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Purple Passions will lighten up as they get older. Mine has. Just like Blizzards are pink as babies but white as adults.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>Purple Passions will lighten up as they get older. Mine has. Just like Blizzards are pink as babies but white as adults.
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Kerby...aren't most of your purple passions without pattern, from solid black hypermels? Like your blizzards?

I need to get me some ghosts and coral ghosts and others from you this year......lol
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John Lassiter
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No, most Blizzards will show pattern when viewed in sunlight. The pattern does not go away, it is just masked (if it was banded to begin with).

Even Purple Passions will show pattern, some are masked more than others, but they are pretty as babies and then lighten up A LOT as they get older.

I have produced some Blizzards that had obvious pattern on them and then some look patternles (until you take them out in sunlight LOL). The combination of albino and hypermelanism does not make the pattern disappear, it just masks the pattern. It is still there.. Albino does not make the pattern disappear on a cal king, hypermelanism does not make the pattern disappear on a cal king, and lavender does not make the pattern disappear on a cal king. The pattern is still on the snake.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

I sent BHB a picture of your snake explaining you bought it as a Lavender Ghost and asked for the exact genetics on it. I also asked if it was different than their Lavender snow. They wrote back saying it was a lavender snow not a ghost. That's all they said and that's pretty much how I expected them to reply. lol
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BHB was selling those on k-snake classifieds just recently and was calling them Lavender Snows.....and they used to call them Purple Passions....

Just like cal king albinos can look different.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

.....are we saying this snake has the very same identical genetics as your purple passions (lavender x hypermel), just much darker and not as light pinkish/purple?

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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John said the snake looks more purplish in person, but the eyes look wrong. Maybe they are a very deep ruby color that doesn't come out without a very bright light. I don't know. I think if I saw it in person, I'd have a better idea, or be more confused. lol

I was reading about Lavenders one day in the archives and someone said when introducing the lavender gene to the desert phase, they got kings that were dark purple. I'm assuming this is after crossing back the lavender gene to the desert phase 2 or more times (if that's even necessary) to ensure the base color is black (in reality, very dark brown) instead of the coastal brown color. But I just want to note, there are coastal kings just as black as the desert phase. I found this picture on the web and it was described as a Lavender. It's the closest thing I've seen to the dark purple described by that guy.

1_lavender_striped by RossAZ480, on Flickr
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Heah, that's very interesting indeed!. That one's dark coloration and eyes look virtually identical to the snake John has.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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>>Heah, that's very interesting indeed!. That one's dark coloration and eyes look virtually identical to the snake John has.

The eyes do NOT......
I see NO ruby coloration at all....Just black.
In sunlight, with flash and without.....

But it could be a dark eyed lavender hypermel....I'm not arguing that....lol
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John Lassiter
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okay, I certainly can't argue any of that either, because they do seem pretty black to me, or basically so dark bloodred it can't be distinguished from black.

As we both know, LOTS of genetic stuff will never be understood at all, but we have to call them something to the best of our ability...

It will definitely be fun to work with and learn more about it when bred to other stuff to compare notes on what is produced.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Yup, I believe so.

Not all albinos look the same, not all lavenders look the same, so why not?

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Yeah, when considering there are very different looking lavenders with varying amounts of melanin allowed to be produced within their cells (or not), it could be possible I guess. Just seems so incredibly dark. The link between basic simple hypomelanism and lavender (i.e. from displaying the melanin precursor protein tyrosinase ONLY, to also displaying variable smaller amounts of melanin) can be next to impossible to distinguish from each other anyway in certain strains and bloodlines of snakes...*shrug*

The specimen Ross just posted is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. After all, hypomelanism is just a simple term that describes very reduced melanin, while T-plus (lavender) is actually describing the alleged precise cause of it.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>Yup, I believe so.
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>>Not all albinos look the same, not all lavenders look the same, so why not?
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I agree with that....
I will get better photos up this evening.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Here is an example of the same albino gene in cal kings. One from a high white and one from a high yellow. SAME recessive gene, but 2 outcomes in appearance.

When doing 1 or 2 recessive gene(s) at the same time I know there is quite the variance in outcomes.

Since we are not starting with the same looking cal king to begin with, we can't expect to end up with the same looking specimen.

But lavenders do have dark eyes. Sometimes they look different between house lights, with a flash ot without a flash or in daylight.

Since we can produce bliizards with hardly any pattern showing to some that have obvious pattern showing, I'm sure it will be the same with Purple Passions.

Also when a snake display 2 different recessive genes at the same time, who is to say they are displayed evenly all the time?

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Yeah, but the affected area where the melanin used to be looks the same to me.....
The yellow versus white is different......

But I know what you are getting at....
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John Lassiter
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Yeah, that's the question. Is there ever variation in the pink?
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"Yeah, that's the question. Is there ever variation in the pink?"

That's exactly what my point was. The yellow and white example was very simple and straight-forward, while this other highly variable stuff is not at all...

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>>>Yup, I believe so.
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>>>>Not all albinos look the same, not all lavenders look the same, so why not?
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>>I agree with that....
>>I will get better photos up this evening.

Try taking some pictures outside in the day if you can sometime. All I've seen are inside shots with a flash from everyone that photographs purple passions. We need some variety. lol
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Here is a Purple Passion that hatched out last year. On right, after 1st shed. On left, today.

Definitely lightening up, but still has dark eyes.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Wow, it sure did lighten up.
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Yeah, I've seen older purple passions that where so light they looked more of an off-white/beige almost and not purple at all.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Just like a Blizzard is pink when hatched and white as an adult.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>Just like a Blizzard is pink when hatched and white as an adult.

I guess with amels the pink turns white....
But with lavender they may lighten but it's still lavender....although it may be lighter....

BTW...Your purple passions are lighter than the others I have seen from Tom Stevens and others......
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John Lassiter
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>>Here is a Purple Passion that hatched out last year. On right, after 1st shed. On left, today.
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I see red though in the eyes....
The one I have has BLACK eyes.....at least to the naked eye in the sunlight, with flash, without, in the house, etc....lol
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John Lassiter
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Can you see a distinction between the iris and pupil at all, John? Or is it solid black?
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>>Can you see a distinction between the iris and pupil at all, John? Or is it solid black?
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Look at the second and third pics in the original post.
There is a distinction but no red at all.....
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John Lassiter
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OK, I couldn't tell from my monitor, so I brightened it up on my computer and can see it now. Interesting.
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"I see red though in the eyes....
The one I have has BLACK eyes.....at least to the naked eye in the sunlight, with flash, without, in the house, etc....lol"

You and I are on the very same page here. Yours looks NOTHING like the standard purple passions that have ever been produced thus far.....nothing!. And the other ones were banded hypermels as well. Sure I can roll with some variation, but that is simply a RIDICULOUS difference..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Since BHB used to sell Purple Passions and now they are selling Lavender Snows, I e-mailed them and asked what the difference was between the two, waiting on a reply.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Good going, because I was wondering exactly what the heck their definition between the two were myself..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>"I see red though in the eyes....
>>The one I have has BLACK eyes.....at least to the naked eye in the sunlight, with flash, without, in the house, etc....lol"
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>> You and I are on the very same page here. Yours looks NOTHING like the standard purple passions that have ever been produced thus far.....nothing!. And the other ones were banded hypermels as well. Sure I can roll with some variation, but that is simply a RIDICULOUS difference..LOL!

It is certainly a cool looking morph.
I wish BHB could explain the genetics.
But...It's not a BP.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"It is certainly a cool looking morph.
I wish BHB could explain the genetics.
But...It's not a BP.....LOL"

LOL!!, I know man...funny you should mention the Ball python thing too, because those were my very same thoughts as well. If it were a 15k Ball python morph, you can bet your a$$ he would know ALL about the animals precice genetics...

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I e-mailed BHB and asked them what the difference was between a Purple Passion and a Lavender Snow.....waiting on an answer.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>I e-mailed BHB and asked them what the difference was between a Purple Passion and a Lavender Snow.....waiting on an answer.

Great...I wonder what their reply will be this time....
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John Lassiter
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Hey Guys, Maybe this is not even close but could it be a triple homo. Hypo, hypermel, lavender? Or a Lavender, ghost,hypermel? I am definitely not educated in Calking morphology but I am trying to follow along.
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>>Hey Guys, Maybe this is not even close but could it be a triple homo. Hypo, hypermel, lavender? Or a Lavender, ghost,hypermel? I am definitely not educated in Calking morphology but I am trying to follow along.
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I don't think it has the "ghost" gene that Kerby produces...
But the thought of Hypo, lavender and hypermel did cross my mind......
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John Lassiter
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I didn't think the ghost gene either due to they way the pattern is with the ones Kerby produces. Has Kerby produced any hypermel ghosts? Maybe the two genes interact differently??? I was leaning towards a triple Homo of some sort. Just a thought.
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>>I didn't think the ghost gene either due to they way the pattern is with the ones Kerby produces. Has Kerby produced any hypermel ghosts? Maybe the two genes interact differently??? I was leaning towards a triple Homo of some sort. Just a thought.
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I know he bred a Palomar ghost to a hypermel, but I don't think he's produced the double homo.
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A while ago I did breed a Ghost x hypermelanistic (Mendota locale) and got all males ( of them) and sold them and never continued the project.

That is one combo that I don't have (double het ghost & hypermelanistic).

I do have plenty of Ghost and hypermelanistics so I need to try it again.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

So far the ghost gene has that unique head pattern, so that is possible too (no ghost in it).

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>Hey Guys, Maybe this is not even close but could it be a triple homo. Hypo, hypermel, lavender? Or a Lavender, ghost,hypermel? I am definitely not educated in Calking morphology but I am trying to follow along.
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BHB is calling it a Lavender snow. Snow is sometimes used in place of Blizzard, which is hypermel & albino. That's where it becomes unbelievable to me. I don't think this morph is a combination of hyper, lavender, and albino. It could be a triple homo, but what? Lavender, hypo, and hypermel sounds more like it if it was.
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So...
I need a hypo female to breed him too......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I have been breeding triple hets (albino, lavender, hypermelanistic)for a few years now, thus producing Blizzards and Purple Passion, but nothing that would look like a triple homo. I believe the albino would over ride the look. Maybe an albino looking snake with darker lavender eyes?

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Seems to me it would look a lot like a Blizzard, but I'm not sure about the eyes. They'd probably be like the albino.
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>>Seems to me it would look a lot like a Blizzard, but I'm not sure about the eyes. They'd probably be like the albino.
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Yea...the albino gene should mask the lavender gene just like it should mask the hypo gene but Kerby posted replies against that further down in another thread concerning his triple het clutch and the Albino Hypo.....

I don't disagree but I don't understand.....LOL
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John Lassiter
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I understand, but I disagree. hahahahaha
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>>I understand, but I disagree. hahahahaha
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LOL....Don't let Kerby see this....LOL
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John Lassiter
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hahahaha I know. Well, I hope he knows I'm kidding. I was looking at some of his pictures and sometimes the albinos have a slightly different shade of pink, but I'm not sure if that's because the pictures were taken a few days later and one of them is clouding up before it sheds. Here's one of those pictures.

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>>hahahaha I know. Well, I hope he knows I'm kidding. I was looking at some of his pictures and sometimes the albinos have a slightly different shade of pink, but I'm not sure if that's because the pictures were taken a few days later and one of them is clouding up before it sheds. Here's one of those pictures.
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The light one is a hypo albino....duh?

Just kidding Kerby.
I appreciated the time you took to explain this to me.

When and if I get some hatchlings I can't identify You are surely the guy I will contact.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

There is a lot I don't understand about cal king genetics as a lot of this is new to the reptile industry. Some things have not been explained yet.

Like breeding a Ghost to a Hypo and producing double hets, but yet I still produced a purple looking snake that should have looked "normal".

As for other people (not saying BHB) now are procing results from "normal" looking cal kings is NO SUPRISE to me as I have wholesaled hundreds and hundreds of double and triple het babies...... no telling where they ended up.

Some people are gettinf surprise clutches from their "normal" looking cal kings.

I will be the first to admit or accept what should be correct and is proven as such.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Definitely possible.......

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>I sent BHB a picture of your snake explaining you bought it as a Lavender Ghost and asked for the exact genetics on it. I also asked if it was different than their Lavender snow. They wrote back saying it was a lavender snow not a ghost. That's all they said and that's pretty much how I expected them to reply. lol

The box was labelled Lavender Ghost and the one next to it was labelled Lavender Snow....But they all looked alike to me....even the eyes.

I guess I will call it a purple passion then....If everyone of y'all Caliking gurus agree....hahaha
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

This just goes to show they are not very organized with their [bleep]. lol They may have a lot of different snakes, but that's no reason not to know the genetics on your snakes. Maybe they need to hire more people, or maybe Lori just gave my letter a half ass thought and answered it without consulting the people that actually breed the Cal kings. If that's the case, that's bad business practice. This snake may or may not be a purple passion. You may have to breed it to a lavender just to find out if it has lavender or not. Then, there are two different strains of lavender. hahaha
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Of course that is always a possibility (bad info).

And yes the best way is to breed it to a lavender and then breed it to a hypermelanistic.

If breed to a lavender then all the babies will be lavender het hypermelanistic.

If bred to a hypermelanistic then all the babies will be hypermelanistic het for lavender.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>Of course that is always a possibility (bad info).
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>>And yes the best way is to breed it to a lavender and then breed it to a hypermelanistic.
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>>If breed to a lavender then all the babies will be lavender het hypermelanistic.
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>>If bred to a hypermelanistic then all the babies will be hypermelanistic het for lavender.

Yep...I will have to do this....
I have a lavender female and a hypermel female for him.....
But the Hypermel is het lavender and amel.....

Oh...I have a female hypermel banana too......Hmmmmmmm
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

You have a lot of great projects ahead of you, John.
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>>You have a lot of great projects ahead of you, John.
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If we could only get past 2012....
Maybe I need to breed him to a hypo female as well....Send me one....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yep, Dec 21 is the day it all ends. lol
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Yeah, that will answer all the questions.
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>>Yeah, that will answer all the questions.
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Unless it is a different strain of lavender.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

LOl Yeah, and that other strain of lavender might actually be a BEB. They don't talk about that strain any more, but I did see it turn up on the UK forum a while back.
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And take the so-called "lavender" (t-plus) Speckled king, even though it is a dark brown. Those are called hypos AND lavender albinos interchangeably depending on who is selling them. This one is called a "hypo" by the dealer, and another exactly like it is a lavender albino..LOL!

This is my point, many things are called "something", but they are just name labels and don't necessarily have to be the same thing at all from one animal to the next, or one strain to the next.

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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True dat!

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>This just goes to show they are not very organized with their [bleep]. lol They may have a lot of different snakes, but that's no reason not to know the genetics on your snakes. Maybe they need to hire more people, or maybe Lori just gave my letter a half ass thought and answered it without consulting the people that actually breed the Cal kings. If that's the case, that's bad business practice. This snake may or may not be a purple passion. You may have to breed it to a lavender just to find out if it has lavender or not. Then, there are two different strains of lavender. hahaha
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LOL...
Well I did buy it thinking it was a purple passion. But I got a great deal because I did not pay a Lavender Snow price....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That's bad ass man, I like it a lot. I wonder how it's going to look when it gets bigger? Hypo x hypermel?
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

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GONE FISHING!!!

>>That's bad ass man, I like it a lot. I wonder how it's going to look when it gets bigger? Hypo x hypermel?

I don't know what it is....LOL
Purple passion, Lavender Ghost, Lavender Snow or Hypo/hyper.....

Thanks....I can't wait to raise him up and give him some gals....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That's a very cool looking snake John. I also think it is a double homozygous hypomelanistic x hypermel. I am betting BHB simply called it a "lavender ghost" because of it's looks alone, not because of the specific genetics involved. Hypo x hypermel would give it that very charcoal-ish/slightly purple looking hue along with the faded look from the hypomelanism. If lavender(t-plus) were expressed in homozygous form, it would look FAR more like Kerby's purple passions (lavender x hypermel). When you can "see into" the pigment cells of certain hypo snakes because the melanin is greatly reduced, they can often have that weird sort of deep purple hue, and the hypermel gene would only accentuate it more in my opinion.

I think it's a VERY cool unique looking snake, and I'm sure there aren't any around in the market for any comparison either, but it sure as heck looks like hypo x hypermel to me. I can't really see how it could be anything else.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>That's a very cool looking snake John. I also think it is a double homozygous hypomelanistic x hypermel. I am betting BHB simply called it a "lavender ghost" because of it's looks alone, not because of the specific genetics involved. Hypo x hypermel would give it that very charcoal-ish/slightly purple looking hue along with the faded look from the hypomelanism. If lavender(t-plus) were expressed in homozygous form, it would look FAR more like Kerby's purple passions (lavender x hypermel). When you can "see into" the pigment cells of certain hypo snakes because the melanin is greatly reduced, they can often have that weird sort of deep purple hue, and the hypermel gene would only accentuate it more in my opinion.
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>> I think it's a VERY cool unique looking snake, and I'm sure there aren't any around in the market for any comparison either, but it sure as heck looks like hypo x hypermel to me. I can't really see how it could be anything else.

I agree Doug...that is what it looks like to me as well...at least that was my first impression....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I did that combo a few years ago (breeding a hypo to a hypermel), thus producing double hets. When bred back I never got that 1/16 that showed both.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

"I did that combo a few years ago (breeding a hypo to a hypermel), thus producing double hets. When bred back I never got that 1/16 that showed both"

Yeah, I figured that you of ALL people would have likely worked with that combination sometime during the course of your multi-morph breedings. You certainly do work with some cool morphs..

Do you still plan on working with that specific combination in the future?.........it sure does look cool.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Eventually I will try that combo again. It is a slow process for sure.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

"Eventually I will try that combo again. It is a slow process for sure"

LOL!,.....I hear ya man. Sometimes the 1 in 16 shows up in a heartbeat for people, other times a big NADA!...

Good luck with it next time.......

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

That makes sense. I'm sure it will be a little more obvious what's going on here when this snake gets bigger.
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I agree, it will be more obvious as it matures some more.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

This one I got is a male. I got a male thinking it would be best to breed him to multiple females but the only female I really want to breed him to now is my chocolate tiger hypermel het for amel and lavender. But I have a female chocolate tiger hypermel I could pair this new male up with but then I can't breed the chocolate tigers together......

I do have two ontogenetic hypo females I may pair him up with.

Maybe I just need to pick up a female from BHB now...LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

LOL!!,.....yeah, the ol' "what to do?" dilemma..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com