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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Can't keep your lenses off of that snake, huh? I don't blame you.

--Dennis

>>Can't keep your lenses off of that snake, huh? I don't blame you.

Thanks..
But I promised others in the long thread below to take some outdoor pics and post them....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Great shots, John. I can see the purple now, but the typical hypos with normal colored eyes, don't show purple like that. Not that I've seen at least. I still don't know what to make of it.
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It's a shame we don't have a straight answer from BHB as to what it is.......hopefully we will find out. I know they were advertising these in the classifieds, so I don't know how many they have.

YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A PAIR! ! !

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>It's a shame we don't have a straight answer from BHB as to what it is.......hopefully we will find out. I know they were advertising these in the classifieds, so I don't know how many they have.
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>>YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A PAIR! ! !

They had 3 in the box marked Lavender Ghost that I bought this one out of and 4 in the box marked Lavender Snow.......But all looked alike except the price.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I got my original pair of Ghosts from BHB in 2002. The female happened to be het for albino.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>I got my original pair of Ghosts from BHB in 2002. The female happened to be het albino.

And they didn't know or advertise that, correct?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

In 2002 when I was buying the 1.1 Ghosts from him, he said that he had to breed the Ghosts to other cal kings producing hets, then breed back to get more Ghosts as at that time breeding Ghost to Ghost had low fertility.

So obviously some of the cal kings he bred the Ghosts to were het albino. Which was common. No big deal.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

It's got to be something different because BHB has been selling Purple Passions (lavender & hypermelanistic).

So why the name change? ......unless it is something other than a Purple Passion........

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

I tend to agree.....for that reason and the fact that this one looks completely different than all of the purple passions I've personally seen.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

So lavender and something else...........

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>So lavender and something else...........
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>>Kerby...
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>>Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.
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Lavender and hypo?

I see a typical banded pattern though.
Even though the nitida and mendotas look different....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I used the Mendota with a Lavender to get mine and although the Mendota hypermelanistics have an aberrant pattern I have since produced banded, striped, and aberrant hypermelanistics from that gene. My Purple Passion is banded, although hard to see, but it is there.

I had also bred the Davis Black Bellies that I got from Rick Staub directly and bred them to Mendotas to prove they were the same gene. So now all my hypermelanistics are non-locale specific

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Maybe its the Bill Brant Ghost X hypermelanistic.

BillBrantGhostFemale01-02 by RossAZ480, on Flickr
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>>Maybe its the Bill Brant Ghost X hypermelanistic.
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>>BillBrantGhostFemale01-02 by RossAZ480, on Flickr
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That's what I meant by hypo....those ontogenetic dark eyed ones......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>Maybe its the Bill Brant Ghost X hypermelanistic.
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>>BillBrantGhostFemale01-02 by RossAZ480, on Flickr
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That could be why they were labelled lavender ghost....even though Lori said it was a lavender snow and they advertise lavender snow.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yeah, it could be. It looks more like this morph than any other.
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that they don't have Lavender Ghosts. do you think it's possible the container was mislabeled? since they do sell Lavenders, Ghosts, and Lavender Snows. How much did the snake cost?

that looks like a Purple Passion, the coloration was exactly like mine but yours has more pattern visible.
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www.kingpinreptiles.com

>>that they don't have Lavender Ghosts. do you think it's possible the container was mislabeled? since they do sell Lavenders, Ghosts, and Lavender Snows. How much did the snake cost?
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>>that looks like a Purple Passion, the coloration was exactly like mine but yours has more pattern visible.
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>>www.kingpinreptiles.com

So what is their lavender snow comprised of?

And yes the box could have been mislabeled.

And I did not pay the $200 lavender snow cost.....

Post a pic of your purple passion with an eye shot please.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

This may sound silly but, why doesn't someone just ask them(BHB) what it is?

>>This may sound silly but, why doesn't someone just ask them(BHB) what it is?

Three have emailed them...
You'd have to read the entire thread, but those posts are in there....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"This may sound silly but, why doesn't someone just ask them(BHB) what it is?'

You apparently didn't read many parts of the thread (and I can't blame you there). It has already been asked by a couple people, and they got different answers both times from Lori (BHB). Then one also has to consider what exactly THEIR enterpretation is of what they want to call something, versus what it ACTUALLY is. There is nothing real cut and dry about it at all,, and maybe never will be.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

If its important then ask the boss, THe B. If he cannot give you an answer, then there you go.

No sir, I did not and are not going to read the entire thread.

But from what I have read, its a whole bunch of could be this and could be that. If thats the case, then its nothing. As you guys would say, a mutt, or worse, a cross. hahahahahahahahaha sorry but true. In a sense of, you cannot tell what it is, therefore it must be considered none of the above.

ALso, that does not take away how nice the snake is, its not about that. its a great snake. Cheers

>>If its important then ask the boss, THe B. If he cannot give you an answer, then there you go.
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>> No sir, I did not and are not going to read the entire thread.
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>> But from what I have read, its a whole bunch of could be this and could be that. If thats the case, then its nothing. As you guys would say, a mutt, or worse, a cross. hahahahahahahahaha sorry but true. In a sense of, you cannot tell what it is, therefore it must be considered none of the above.
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>> ALso, that does not take away how nice the snake is, its not about that. its a great snake. Cheers

I concur....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Just got a response from Lori at BHB....

I asked what was the difference between the Purple Passion and the Lavender Ghost and the response is:

**they are the same thing**

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

"**they are the same thing** "

LMAO!
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So it's a purple passion with black eyes?...Okay.

That's what I thought it was when I purchased it....a purple passion. Only after I took him home and took photos and looked at him closer did I notice the black eyes.

I will breed him to a Bill Brant Ghost (hypo) female, a lavender female and a hypermel female that is het for lavender and amel when they are all of age/size.

Then we will kinda know his genetics unless there's BEB in there or a different type of hypo or lavender gene.....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yep, that's about all you can do. I'd be sure to breed it to a Lavender the first year its ready.
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"So it's a purple passion with black eyes?...Okay.

Then we will kinda know his genetics unless there's BEB in there or a different type of hypo or lavender gene.....lol"

So apparently it is the much darker type of "lavender", such as the kind Ross posted earlier in the striped animal, or even Bill Brant's specimen and that would definitely explain it not looking anything like Kerby's or Tom Stevens purple passions that used the standard lighter lavenders that look more like the typical lighter t-plus animals. If you think about it though, one could also consider those much darker "lavenders" a form of hypo just as easily, because the more melanin a so-called "t-plus" displays, the more it can be called a hypo. Gosh, there are so many different types of reduced melanin types of Cal. kings out there now that it makes your head spin..LOL!
It would be very interesting to see pics of the actual lavenders that were used for BHB's synonymous lavender snows/lavender ghosts. That's what I would try to find out next.

Lori will be like. "dangit!, these guys are a real pain in my arse spamming my emails with all these silly questions about a freakin colubrid!"..LMAO!!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>So apparently it is the much darker type of "lavender", such as the kind Ross posted earlier in the striped animal, or even Bill Brant's specimen and that would definitely explain it not looking anything like Kerby's or Tom Stevens purple passions that used the standard lighter lavenders that look more like the typical lighter t-plus animals. If you think about it though, one could also consider those much darker "lavenders" a form of hypo just as easily, because the more melanin a so-called "t-plus" displays, the more it can be called a hypo. Gosh, there are so many different types of reduced melanin types of Cal. kings out there now that it makes your head spin..LOL!
>> It would be very interesting to see pics of the actual lavenders that were used for BHB's synonymous lavender snows/lavender ghosts. That's what I would try to find out next.
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>>Lori will be like. "dangit!, these guys are a real pain in my arse spamming my emails with all these silly questions about a freakin colubrid!"..LMAO!!..

I know what you mean....
It's an awesome looking animal....
I will just raise it up and try to prove it out.
Then we'll know what it is, but it may take a few years of breeding him to prove him out all the way....
I may need a female of every type of calking there is....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

**I may need a female of every type of calking there is....LOL**

I can help you out there.....

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>**I may need a female of every type of calking there is....LOL**
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>>I can help you out there.....
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Yes...I had you in mind for them....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Nothing like making needless confusion on purpose, hey?..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

hahaha Well, I'll just assume that's what it is until proven otherwise.
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Hi Kerby, is there a reason you guys cannot send a picture of the animal, say, it was purchased from them, so they should know what it is? anyone done that?

>>Hi Kerby, is there a reason you guys cannot send a picture of the animal, say, it was purchased from them, so they should know what it is? anyone done that?

I already did that and they said it was not a Lavender ghost (they sold it to John as a lavender ghost), it was a lavender snow. Then Kerby asked what the difference was between lavender snow and purple passion, and they said it was the same. Now I sent an E mail asking why its eyes are black and why its dark purple instead of lavender.
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BHB was selling them on the classifieds this summer and they looked just like the one John has and they called them Lavender Snows. Last year they were selling Purple Passions. Lori said they are BOTH displaying 2 recessive genes at the same time (Lavender and Hypermelanistic).

So 2 different looking snakes with 2 different names, but yet BHB says they are the same genteics.

That's all.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.