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Hello,

I have reviewed the classifieds for yrs and have noticed that there is a significant change in the boa market.

What's your opinion?

Thz

I believe it's the lousy economy and the fact that a lot of folks are getting into ball pythons.

If you're referring to price drops and "fire sales", etc., and that bothers you, get into BCC. They hold their value EXTREMELY well and even GROW in value (something the average morph owner has never experienced).

jb
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What's written above is purely my opinion. In fact, MOST of what you read on the internet is someone's opinion. Don't take it too seriously

Jonathan Brady
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Plus my choice in boas are the naturally occurring locale BCC. BCI morphs are wonderful but not my interest. Bill
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Anacondas-the other Dark Side.
Afrocks-the dark side of the Dark Side.

I'll assume you are talking about lack of sales and price drops. If that's the case, thats why I have always said to keep what you like. I see so many people concerned about prices, and they ask questions about what genes can make the most for their money.

Completely wrong things to be concerned about. How about you just find an animal or set of genes that really strike you as AWESOME, then enjoy them. who cares about where the price goes?

I know a lot of people sell snakes for a living, so I understand their concern about price drops. I'm fortunate enough to say that I do snakes for fun, it's strictly hobby for me and I do not rely on boas to pay the bills. I can say I truely do it for enjoyment.

That being said, I actually enjoy the boas. I pick genes that I like the best, and those are the ones that I work with and breed. I try to make cool things that will be cool and look awesome. Meanwhile, Im not so concerned with what's going to sell.

I don't want to see the market drop any more than anybody else, I know a lot of people rely on it. But the reality of the situation is, with the economy the way it is when considering supply/demand, price drops are inevitable.

So the main question always seems to be, "what should I buy and what will hold it's value the longest?"

I think a better question people should start asking is "what do I actually like and want to work with?" This question will take you much further in the long run

This may have been way off topic, just my 2 cents.

Tony

I totally see where you and the others who replied earlier are coming from and agree.

What about more recently?

I am wondering if anyone else has seen a spike in sales within the last few months where entire projects of highly sought after animals are being offered for bargain prices.

It makes total sense if there is something personal in their lives that need addressing be it time, space, financial, health, etc and is really none of our business.

But I am more concerned with, for example, word of proposals in the works such as an official nationwide ban on large boids where you'd have to obtain permits like that of "hot" (venomous) snakes and people jumping ship while they can.

Serious possibility or not any time soon as they have been trying to ban for yrs?

>>Serious possibility or not any time soon as they have been trying to ban for yrs?

IMO, definitely NOT a serious possibility. If it were going to happen, it would have happened with the Lacey Act listing. It didn't, because the boa market is too valuable and that listing would have caused undue economic impact. If people are getting out of boas, it should NOT be because of fear of them being banned. In fact, it would make sense that there should be higher demand for boas right now since they're among the largest snakes that are at little risk for such a legislative nightmare.

jb
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What's written above is purely my opinion. In fact, MOST of what you read on the internet is someone's opinion. Don't take it too seriously

Jonathan Brady
DeviantConstrictors.com Site received a complete makeover! Check it out!

Bad Economy compounded by an all assault on regulating Boas out of the hands of most people threatened the Boa Hobby .

So both were responsible for market drop with Boas . . . . .

We beat the Lacey Listing threat but there are still threats occurring
State to State that are worrisome at times.

So this contributes to some people thinking it's all over for Boas when it's really not over at all . . .
the Boa market is just now getting a new foot hold.

As in most areas of importance . . . most people are very poorly informed things . . . There is a very large percentage of people who don't even know or understand what the regulation threats are or rather were until now when it's mostly over and done with.

Most people didn't even hear about the Lacey Listing and big portion of those who did
were entirely confused about the details of the Listing process etc . . . .

Everyday Joe is barely getting caught up with the relevant news and regulation events that effect Boas. Even as we write these words right now people are still talking about the regulation of Big snakes and Boas.

That regulation of Big snakes and Boas like I said earlier is mostly over with, except
State to State attempts at threatening us with drastic regulation.

Heck there are people who ran for the hills and sold all or most of their Boas that are now taking advantage of
the extremely great low pricing to get back into the Boa game right now.

Soon multiple gene combo projects, New Morph projects and a few large developments will have a
major positive impact on Boa markets and the Boa hobby/industry over all.

The Boa Hobby is on it's way back right now . . . it's just still a big secret to most people . . . most folks are unaware of the great future in Boas that’s right around the corner and with those in know that “Great future” lays literally right at our feet in the Boa Hobby !

. . . Lar M

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>>Bad Economy compounded by an all assault on regulating Boas out of the hands of most people threatened the Boa Hobby .
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>>So both were responsible for market drop with Boas . . . . .
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>>We beat the Lacey Listing threat but there are still threats occurring
>>State to State that are worrisome at times.
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>>So this contributes to some people thinking it's all over for Boas when it's really not over at all . . .
>>the Boa market is just now getting a new foot hold.
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>>As in most areas of importance . . . most people are very poorly informed things . . . There is a very large percentage of people who don't even know or understand what the regulation threats are or rather were until now when it's mostly over and done with.
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>>Most people didn't even hear about the Lacey Listing and big portion of those who did
>> were entirely confused about the details of the Listing process etc . . . .
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>>Everyday Joe is barely getting caught up with the relevant news and regulation events that effect Boas. Even as we write these words right now people are still talking about the regulation of Big snakes and Boas.
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>>That regulation of Big snakes and Boas like I said earlier is mostly over with, except
>>State to State attempts at threatening us with drastic regulation.
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>>Heck there are people who ran for the hills and sold all or most of their Boas that are now taking advantage of
>> the extremely great low pricing to get back into the Boa game right now.
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>>Soon multiple gene combo projects, New Morph projects and a few large developments will have a
>> major positive impact on Boa markets and the Boa hobby/industry over all.
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>>The Boa Hobby is on it's way back right now . . . it's just still a big secret to most people . . . most folks are unaware of the great future in Boas that’s right around the corner and with those in know that “Great future” lays literally right at our feet in the Boa Hobby !
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>> . . . Lar M
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>>I Support USark.org
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What's written above is purely my opinion. In fact, MOST of what you read on the internet is someone's opinion. Don't take it too seriously

Jonathan Brady
DeviantConstrictors.com Site received a complete makeover! Check it out!

larry the threat to boas is most certainly NOT over. do you recall HR511? what about HR5864?

for those who don't know, HR511 was introduced very soon after the USFWS put boas on the back burner for the administrative rule change process (when they listed burms, afrocks and yellow anacondas as injurious). this bill bypasses the USFWS rule change process and adds the OTHER 5 (boas, retics and 3 other anacondas) to the lacey act immediately if passed.

www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr511

HR5864 pretty much replaces the administrative rule change process currently used (the one the USFWS used for burms) with a much more watered down version that drops many of the safeguards written into the current system. it includes an "emergency provision" where the USFWS can (without any oversight) temporarily list animals as injurious until further action can be taken. both the emergency provision and the actual process result in a ban on import and interstate transport.

www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr5864

we have to remain vigilant. these attacks aren't going to end anytime soon as far as i'm concerned. as long as there are groups like the HSUS, DOW, PETA, etc, we will constantly be targeted by these types of attacks.

Good Point Chris , as far as I'm concerned or I was under the impression that Legislation is on the back burner.

At years end it's over correct . . . . ? . . . . then they have to re-up a new version of the legislation next legislation session . . . .
which of course they will, we must always stay vigilant.

Isn't this where it's at ? They could push that Legislation or attach it to something else but we're in pretty good shape I'd say !

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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we would have to make it to early january without these bills being moved on for them to disappear. that's over 4 months away. A LOT can happen in 4 months. we are far from out of the woods IMO. hr511 already has bipartisan support (including cosponsors from both sides of the aisle). that alone scares the piss out of me.
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Would you be able to elaborate some on the bipartisan support?

What does this entail? Only sales for that state, etc?

They couldn't possibly get away with banning all boids, right?

What is their motive and overall benefit, saving the environment from escaped animals like in Florida?

It can't be safety of ppl bc dogs haven't been banned and kill more people than all snakes combined in the USA not to mention cars, etc.

I'm confused how this is even an issue other than what has been listed above as this is going to affects millions of dollars and numerous jobs/ppl making the situation worse than previously on the table...

Would you be able to elaborate some on the bipartisan support?

-bipartisan support means it has support from both sides of the aisle. HR511 was introduced by a republican (historically the people who have supported us) and has both republican AND democratic cosponsors.

What does this entail? Only sales for that state, etc?

-it would mean the same thing for boas as it does for burms. NO interstate transport. PERIOD. you can't buy across state lines, trade across state lines, sell across state lines or even take your pet across state lines if you move or need veterinary care.

They couldn't possibly get away with banning all boids, right?

-they did it with burms.

What is their motive and overall benefit, saving the environment from escaped animals like in Florida?

-in short, yes. the same "scientific study" that condemned the burms ALSO condemned boas. there are INCREDIBLY influential groups out there who have LOTS of money and LOTS of politicians in their pockets who do their every bidding. we've defeated stuff like this before, but we have to stay vigilant.

It can't be safety of ppl bc dogs haven't been banned and kill more people than all snakes combined in the USA not to mention cars, etc.

-snakes are an easy target. the general public doesn't like snakes.