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Apparently this is how some of the first successful breeders were able to choose their het for Pieds. These are from the Cypress Creek Bloodline. All of Tom's 100% hets have these solid black lines along their bellies and only 1:5 of the 50% had them. But the ones that did, really did!
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I don't think that's a reliable way to tell het pieds from non-hets. I have 2.2 100% het pieds produced by Pete Kahl and non of them have those black lines. It may be true for some, but still not a reliable method. Just my .02 cents. I'm by no means an expert!

Eric

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Are you seeing this mainly near the tail or down the whole length?

Note that the two Burmese pattern mutations show sporadically in hets. Some het green and granites look perfectly normal while some are the recognizable leopard and puzzle hets types. It will be interesting to see if this can be proven to be a reliable indicator in the ball python piebald pattern mutation but even if it does work out I would expect that some hets will not show it. I don't have a clue on the mechanism by which some pattern hets show and some don't.

I’m not saying that all pattern mutations will sometimes display in hets, just that there is a precedence for some of them to show some of the time.

My sister bought three 50% possible het piebald males from Ralph Davis (produced by Peter Kahl) and one of them has a fair amount of this lining. His only daughter does not. However, two of the three daughters of one of the ones that doesn't have the lining have some of this toward the tail.

I was merely illustrating what I meant by solid, black lines whet I introduced this post. By all means there are many different lines of piebalds selectively brought in from Africa, etc. So, obviously all het pieds don’t carry this trait that has melted through the genetic line. If this were the case you would have no such thing as a 50% het. What I am saying is that if you select a 50% het that possesses this trait you are in most instances buying a 100%. It would be advantageous for YOU Eric (Phi) to find a pair that does carry this trait so you are guaranteed to be breeding from a different genetic pool.

And to Thundereyes “You will hear a lot of conflicting arguments about topics. It is best to just take them with open mind and it is truly best to go with what you believe.”

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So, how extreme is the black lining in the hets you have seen? Are some of them just short ones near the tail or are they longer over most of the belly?

I noticed that one of my 50% het albino females that presumably should not have the piebald gene has these black lines. So it would be unfortunate that even if this does prove to be a reliable indicator in piebald lines it probably isn't as unique as the leopard and puzzle appearances in Burmese pythons. It would still be a useful thing to look for, just not a dead giveaway.

I just purchased 1.1 100% het pieds from Peter Kahl and mine to not have that line either. They have a similiar grey line most of the way down, but then so do my normals and poss hets for other morphs.

That black line may be an inidcator for whichever line your working with, but apparently not for Kahls line as I am either the second or third to post into this thread with 100% hets from him and mine don't have that line either.

Mine are all from Cpress Creek Reptiles. Tom originally got his from Kahl. Now again please refer to my previous message.

I have a 50% poss het male that I got from the sutherlands that has that black line down both sides of its white belly......I also have a ringer male that I got from a gravid import female that has that also so its all a guess.

Raul