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I believe this to be a first...Pewter Butter Fader...

We think it is gorgeous...WHAT SAY YOU??

Thanks,

Shawn Heflick

Nice......please don't forget to post pics in a year....I think it will scream even more then...

Thanxx...congrats....good color....
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........JY

I agree! Thanks.

I will be posting pics of the Darth Fader that now has SCREAMING yellow on it. TOTALLY different then a hatchling!

since many pewters, butter cinnamons and other combos like yours fade out the pattern much more than yours, please explain how this is a "fader". how you can tell and did you buy your adults as "faders" or are you just adding it in?
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Evan Stahl Reptiles
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We have the fader gene in our pastel line, which it seems married to at this point. The markers are pretty obvious for this fader "gene"...clear nares, labial scales and head. Also the wash and faded breaks over the back are very distinctive. There is more going on with it in my opinion but I'm typing this on my phone...

I am not attacking you, I just dont believe that there is such a thing as a "fader" gene. in so many morph combos there are examples that are covered with pattern and color fading. I firmly believe that it is just from the stacking of genes that are negative mutations in the composition of the animal. "morphs" after all, are birth defects.

look at the "paradox" animals. they have popped up in nearly every project but are not intentionally reproducible. you can see the damage done to the animals genetics from its normal wild type appearance with the mixed appearance of the other pigments and patterns on many of them. we see more and more births defects like head size, eyes, jaw formation, baby size and more as people breed more and more mutants together and even the neuro symptomology in spiders, sables, champagnes and others.

That is just my opinion. I make hundreds of baby balls each year and have never bought a "fader" and have been breeding my animals for a long time and I am getting fading in many kinds of animals. I also get lots of fading from yellow belly combos.
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Evan Stahl Reptiles
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I agree with some parts of your statement with regard to gene interactions and the multiplier effect, but these faders are coming out of the same lineage. It may not be a specific gene itself and may indeed be linked to the pastel line, which could be actuated by another gene when paired. But from what we are seeing, it is genetic and it seems to cause predictable outcomes. We are going to start watching our "fader" stuff carefully to see if we can predict or track the effects.

What is the line of Pastel you are using?

As to the paradox...I think there is probably a control mechanism that gets mixed signals enzymatically which causes these issues...though I would not characterize them as "damage" to the genetics.

Not sure where you were going with the genetic deformities other than to lay out genetic anomalies, but I don't see the correlation. Though some may be genetic mutation due to incompatible gene pairing, many of the deformities can, more than likely, be traced back to incubation temperatures, inbreeding, point mutations, mutagens, etc.

The neurological disorders are clearly linked to specific genes.

I'd love to go more in depth on this, but I am boarding a plane soon!

Thx for the comments... Love the intellectual debate!

Shawn

I appreciate your thoughts on the subject. Have a safe flight.
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Evan Stahl Reptiles
www.evanstahl.com

I produced this Lesser Cinnamon pastel, you can use him for comparison.

Thanks
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