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My favorite NON-getula recessive traits have to be the Palmetto cornsnake and this guy..

A scaleless puff adder

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There may be a recessive trait in here but I still like Brandon's Urban Camo Ball Python.....

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Holy cow that is nice.

Now what is it that makes it? What combination of traits?
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>>Holy cow that is nice.
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>>Now what is it that makes it? What combination of traits?

It is a Super Pewter het pied...Super Pewters are Cinny Pastels.

It looks pied to me, but BP folks say it isn't...weird, huh?....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I think a super pewter is a super pastel cinny, I'm rusty on my rocks.
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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

np
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Jeremy Thompson
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You are correct....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yeah, that!
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

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GONE FISHING!!!

>>I think a super pewter is a super pastel cinny, I'm rusty on my rocks.
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You are correct....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

John,

The pied gene in the heterozygous form (it is recessive) seems to show itself more and more as it is combined with more codom genes. Plain hets do have markers, pastel hets can be even more obvious, Pewter hets even more so, so on so on.

NERD considers it to be similar to its own trait when it is combined with the right genes, weird how it shows itself better with some morphs than others.

Hope that made some sense!
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Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.
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>>John,
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>>The pied gene in the heterozygous form (it is recessive) seems to show itself more and more as it is combined with more codom genes. Plain hets do have markers, pastel hets can be even more obvious, Pewter hets even more so, so on so on.
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>>NERD considers it to be similar to its own trait when it is combined with the right genes, weird how it shows itself better with some morphs than others.
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>>Hope that made some sense!

Not really...lol
There are different degrees of piebald.....
If it's showing some degree isn't it pied?
Unless those are LARGE "Ringer" markings???????

But I understand what you are describing.
We see it with some california kings.
Kerby has produced Hypo looking California kings. They are multi hets, but not het for hypo.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Het pieds have a marker, you can tell the difference between a normal and a het pied. When you start mixing pieds with other genes, the hets react different with certain morphs making some really different stuff that only are only het pied.
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

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GONE FISHING!!!

>>Het pieds have a marker, you can tell the difference between a normal and a het pied. When you start mixing pieds with other genes, the hets react different with certain morphs making some really different stuff that only are only het pied.

I thought the term was "ringer"
I guess the ringer marking is increased on that Urban Camo.....And it is creating other "looks" to the Pewter coloration too....

I get it....LOL

Enough BP stuff...
let's get back to Lampropeltis....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I have never agreed with you more, I hate geology. Lol!
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

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GONE FISHING!!!

Here is a striped cal king that is possible het Lavender and possible het Ghost. Both parents were double hets (Lavender & Ghost). This striper is not displaying Lavender nor Ghost, but is "hypo" looking.......plus the striping came out of nowhere......actually striping just an aberrancy in cal kings.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Thanks guys!

John, you are mostly correct. It is super cinnamon, super pastel, and het pied....possibly(probably) with something else in the mix. We hatched out some unexpected critters from him this year. It appears to be some sort of vanishing gene.
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

>>Thanks guys!
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>>John, you are mostly correct. It is super cinnamon, super pastel, and het pied....possibly(probably) with something else in the mix. We hatched out some unexpected critters from him this year. It appears to be some sort of vanishing gene.

Well...Out of all the BP morphs out there I think it is the coolest Brandon!

Super pastel instead of super pewter?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

You kind of had it right the first time.lol. Super Pewter is correct. Super Pewter = super pastel and super cinnamon.

Thanks again, I think he's pretty cool too.
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

>>You kind of had it right the first time.lol. Super Pewter is correct. Super Pewter = super pastel and super cinnamon.
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>>Thanks again, I think he's pretty cool too.
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>>Brandon Osborne Reptiles

LOL....Thanks Brandon.....
It will be nice to see more of them....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That Scale-less Puff Adder reminds me of a banded file snake:

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

with very pretty scaleless corns now on the market (daytona, 2012) I suspect scaleless snakes will increase dramatically in the morph/herpetoculture world and be a big part of it in five or ten years. I don't know enough about them yet to know whether that's a good or bad thing. It certainly seems unnatural, but people complain about hypo-E hondurans and amel cal kings and others being unnatural, that seem quite natural to me. Are there any health issues with scaleless snakes? Instinctively, I'd think so, but i'd prefer facts.

Terry
A lot of people think that the scaleless trait has inherent problems. i guess it would be natural to think that after seeing one of these snakes.

but in truth there is nothing wrong with this trait . It does not effect health in any way and they eat and grow like any other normal ratsnake.
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My favorite is my buddy's one and only albino three toed Amphiuma. It is the coolest thing I have ever played with. It's over 30" and will straight up bite you. It eats like a Moray eel and has no fear at all, just comes right up to eat its food or your fingers.

These next pics are not mine, just better than I could get of it!!!!!!!!!!!

I also got to take some pics of thes awesome albino Fire Salamanders, amazing!

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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

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GONE FISHING!!!

Reminds me of Carl Franklin's Bipes biporus....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I had a Florida worm lizard last year found a few miles away.
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

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GONE FISHING!!!

Gerard, those salamanders freakin' rock.
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I can not pick just one... though I do love any BP with the clown gene in the mix....

Pastel x Enchi x Clown - Property of Casey Lazik

Asystole (Pastel x Spider x Het Red Axanthic x Clown) - Property of NERD

Flatline (Has not yet been disclosed, but I believe it to be Clown x Tangerine (super?) x Enchi) - Property of RDR

NOT a clown morph but GORGEOUS! Desert Spinnerblast (Desert x Spider x Pastel x Pin) - Property of Ben Renick

And this is my favorite King! - Pewter from Rainer Weishaupl

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Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.
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Ohh man!That Flatline is hot. HA HA!
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Yes it is! Ralphies been killing people with that one, still a ball though. You make a king like that and you got something cool!
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

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GONE FISHING!!!

>>Yes it is! Ralphies been killing people with that one, still a ball though. You make a king like that and you got something cool!

We have aberrant yellow thayeri.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Lol! That last pic actually works, it's probably not all kingsnake......hahahaha!!!!!!!!

When Corey came out with the red axanthic all that time ago, I always thought it would make some crazy stuff later on. You should see some of the stuff that poped out this year, the stuff you haven't seen!
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Look at that big wide head on that kingsnake. You don't see that every day

I also just got this awesome male Bufo Americanus. Hopefully I will have some hets next year, the baby albinos are sweet!

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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

These have to be my favorite non Lampropeltis morph.
Not my photo

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Not my photo either

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Yeah, I cried a little when the first of this hatched. That's a very impressive snake on its own, can't wait to see the snow!
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

I agree, anyone have double hets yet? I like the natural phenotype just as much as the morphs too.
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I'm sure Tom K. Is working on it.
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

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GONE FISHING!!!

......of genuinely authentic textbook REAL Ecuadoran milks (L.t.micropholis). This anery mutant is just insane. I talked to Steve Hammock about those two animals and they never adapted to captivity decades ago.........sad that stuff like that is totally gone!..

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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I did not even know those existed. WOW!
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Learn something new everyday, huh?
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this albino western painted turtle.
Only because a baby painted turtle was the first pet I ever had.


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That's so cool, where did you get that? Lol!!!!!!!!
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!