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If I didn't know any better I would swear this is T-Neg. Any opinions?

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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
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Sure would help if you knew what the parents were, huh? Lol!!!! How's it been man? I'll call you tomorrow, there is something you're going to die when you see.

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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

That toad is sick! You find the most unique stuff.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Poss het mosaic, right?
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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

These babies are from completely different parents than the Mosaic. Which by the way is looking more lavender as it grows. I was never convinced it was T-Neg. But these do look T-Neg.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Well it doesn't look t positive by the definition of thevterm.
It looks amelanistic or t negative to me.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

It does not have teh red eyes but it has the T neg hody. I had these this year as well and I think they are a lavender x T neg homozygot.
It does not explain the eyes though. I just don't see what else it could be and sometimes these gentics surprise us and do what we don't expect.
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There are 2 different snakes in those pics. I thought I posted them more equally, but the one in the middle is from a second clutch. The two first pics, and the last two pics are the same snake, and is from the first clutch. They are both from the same parents, which is a Jelly male, and a possible het female from the 123 line. So she is possible het for PB, Axanthic, and Hypo. I should not have gotten any T-Negs, or Lavenders for that matter, even if the male Jelly is het for lavender. I am beginning to think the female is het for T-neg? as I did get 2 that look like Jellies to me. Here are more pics. First the parents then the ones that look Jelly.

Female Jelly

Male Jelly

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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Could be your het female 123 is a (T neg x axanthic x hypo).

Anything 123 means

Jelly x ghost
T neg x ghost
PB x Ghost

All are interchangable and all considered 123 line since all the PB /Jelly/ and T negs share a locus.
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Huh? The 123 line has Jelly? I thought it was just Peanut Butter, Axanthic, and Hypo? Wasn't it from a Peanut Butter to a Ghost breeding? What ever the case, I do believe she is het T-Neg, and possibly with other hets as well.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Looks like the T-neg animals I had years ago.
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

>>Looks like the T-neg animals I had years ago.
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>>Brandon Osborne Reptiles

Yeah, Brandon that's what i believe they are also!
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

I am wondering if these aren't a jelly in a super form. Are they both males?

You are right. T neg and Lav should not be in there. i have been looking at your female het and she does not look like the ones from my T neg line 123's.
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>>I am wondering if these aren't a jelly in a super form. Are they both males?
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>>You are right. T neg and Lav should not be in there. i have been looking at your female het and she does not look like the ones from my T neg line 123's.
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There's a pair of each type. I can't think of what else they could be but T-Neg?

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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

I agree . Like I said they look t neg to me. The body does. But it is the eyes that are off. They are supposed to be red eyes and not the ruby purplish. There should be no pigment in teh eyes. That is why i tink it is something like a light super form of the jelly.

is it possible you took these pics while they were in shed and the eyes are actually full on red eye albino eyes?
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>>I agree . Like I said they look t neg to me. The body does. But it is the eyes that are off. They are supposed to be red eyes and not the ruby purplish. There should be no pigment in teh eyes. That is why i tink it is something like a light super form of the jelly.
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>>is it possible you took these pics while they were in shed and the eyes are actually full on red eye albino eyes?
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On my monitor it's eyes look red and not ruby.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

T neg eyes are a clear red like a white albino mouse eyes. No pigment whatso-ever. just a deep red or pink.
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>>T neg eyes are a clear red like a white albino mouse eyes. No pigment whatso-ever. just a deep red or pink.
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That's what I see...pink..Very similar to my T negative california kings, T negative ruthveni, T negative splendida and T negative holbrooki.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That's what I see...pink..Very similar to my T negative california kings, T negative ruthveni, T negative splendida and T negative holbrooki.......

thats because those are all the same john, well except ruthven
ftr i believe for what its worth jorges pic to be a tneg, or an albino getula eyes look pink to me. like mice definately a tyronaise negative mutation at play there IMHO . now if allelles and locus line up there can be some pretty special thangs happen.
yay!

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So......we all agree Rainer needs a new monitor or glasses.....I'm betting on the latter.....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

np
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>>>>I agree . Like I said they look t neg to me. The body does. But it is the eyes that are off. They are supposed to be red eyes and not the ruby purplish. There should be no pigment in teh eyes. That is why i tink it is something like a light super form of the jelly.
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>>>>is it possible you took these pics while they were in shed and the eyes are actually full on red eye albino eyes?
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>>On my monitor it's eyes look red and not ruby.
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>>John Lassiter
>>Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

Looks TNeg-ISH to me. Nice snake you got there Jorge.

>>Looks TNeg-ISH to me. Nice snake you got there Jorge.

Thanks Micah! I got a male and female of the T-Negish ones, and a male and female Jellyish ones, so that's cool.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

looks like it to me...but what do i know...
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Michael Enriquez

Enriquez Reptiles