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I'm tired of the king snake section of Ians Vivarium sucking ass (the corn snake section is excellent), so I'm gonna try and take it over. First up is the Desert king section, as that seems the easiest. They have four categories listed:

Normal
Albino
Axanthic
Hypomelanistic

That is actually everything I know of, so kudos to them for that I suppose. It begs the obvious question, though: is that list complete?

And as an aside, does anyone have pics of any of these that they'd like to have posted? I've searched the current Classifieds and contacted various people through there, and I'll start doing searches of the board and do the same here. Eye and Ventral pics are rare, as are adult albino pics.

Here's the page in question:

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/lampropeltis_getula_splendida/?sid=

For comparison, I have a young Miami phase corn snake. Here's the page for that:

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/miami/?sid=

>>Normal
>>Albino
>>Axanthic
>>Hypomelanistic

In addition to the ones listed there are lavenders (possible Tplus ), axanthic amels (snows) and even 1 know axanthic hypo (ghost). There.s also a striped gene that is probably not recessive.

I will get pics up later but most are on my site...
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Normal:

Axanthic:

Hypomelanistic:

Amelanistic:

Stripe:

Sorry, no picture of the ghost or snow until I make some or Don Shores shares his photo of them....

BTW....who else thinks the new photobucket SUX?!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I cant wait till I start producing some splendida from your stock john. Im actually more excited about the axanthics over the snows and amels. Will also be glad to produce a clutch that should all eat right away. It's been a couple years.
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Chris - TX

>>I cant wait till I start producing some splendida from your stock john. Im actually more excited about the axanthics over the snows and amels. Will also be glad to produce a clutch that should all eat right away. It's been a couple years.

It's actually a mixture of different morphs from Don Shores' stock.

I cant wait to see what yours will throw either....remember, the hypo gene may be in there too. Maybe some hyps or a ghost is possible too.....

But you're right, it's hard to beat the beauty of a nice axanthic...
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Should amel and albino be listed as the same thing, since they both have red eyes?

>>Should amel and albino be listed as the same thing, since they both have red eyes?

Yes, we use the term "albino" alot but the morph it is commonly referring to is an Amelanistic.....meaning no melanin (black).

The blood vessels in the eyes are not masked with melanin thus giving them the red color.

But not all "red eyed" snakes are amelanistics. Some snakes have reduced melanin (hypomelanistics, Tpositive albinos and lavenders). These all have a ruby red colored eye. In these morphs there is reduced melanin thus allowing some of the red eye coloration to show through.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Color morphs
Abberent phase

See if I can find the pics!

Scott
AKA Splendida

>>I'm tired of the king snake section of Ians Vivarium sucking ass (the corn snake section is excellent), so I'm gonna try and take it over. First up is the Desert king section, as that seems the easiest. They have four categories listed:
>>
>>Normal
>>Albino
>>Axanthic
>>Hypomelanistic
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>>That is actually everything I know of, so kudos to them for that I suppose. It begs the obvious question, though: is that list complete?
>>
>>And as an aside, does anyone have pics of any of these that they'd like to have posted? I've searched the current Classifieds and contacted various people through there, and I'll start doing searches of the board and do the same here. Eye and Ventral pics are rare, as are adult albino pics.
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>>Here's the page in question:
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>>http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/lampropeltis_getula_splendida/?sid=
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>>For comparison, I have a young Miami phase corn snake. Here's the page for that:
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>>http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/miami/?sid=

>>Color morphs
>>Abberent phase
>>
>>See if I can find the pics!

Scott...
Everything listed was a "color morph"
Except the Striped I mentioned....
What color morphs are you referring to?
What aberrant "phase" are you referring to?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yes I know, but have seen a color morph of black markings on brown. As for the abberant, it was a broken pattern.

Scott

>>>>Color morphs
>>>>Abberent phase
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>>>>See if I can find the pics!
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>>Scott...
>>Everything listed was a "color morph"
>>Except the Striped I mentioned....
>>What color morphs are you referring to?
>>What aberrant "phase" are you referring to?
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>>John Lassiter
>>Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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I tried to get that site to do a section on Florida Kings, but unless it has been done since I last visited, it fell short.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Too bad about the floridana site, would have been nice. Keeping groups is a great way to learn about snake behavier. Nothing wrong with keeping an eye on them both for safety and for learning how snakes interact as groups.

Scott

>>I tried to get that site to do a section on Florida Kings, but unless it has been done since I last visited, it fell short.
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>>Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!
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>>What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
>> ~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com
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LOL...Scott, that part about cohabitating was in Jorge's signature, not part of his reply...
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

LOL! Just got off work and haven't had my ratio of caffine yet!

Scott

>>LOL...Scott, that part about cohabitating was in Jorge's signature, not part of his reply...
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>>John Lassiter
>>Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Sorry for any confusion Scott. That is the result of a few very loooong threads, from a good while back. Maybe I should erase it, but I'm too tired, and I would probably find the urge to repost it at some point.

By the way I don't advise doing it with Speckled Kings, lol.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Okay, I have the go-ahead from the IV guys, and they are willing to do all of the work to add content if we are willing to provide it. As such, this is the Desert morph list at the moment:

Normal
Albino
Axanthic
Ghost
Hypomelanistic
Lavender
Snow
Striped

Is that good?

Don Shores also has one listed as an Anery on his website:

http://www.shoresenuffsnakes.com/store.aspx?category=King
http://www.shoresenuffsnakes.com/view.aspx?id=804

Should that go on the list as well?

Don is wrong about it being anery.
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