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PASTEL KINGS

thomas davis Nov 20, 2012 05:46 PM

just dripping with color.... chitty pics but kinda gives you an idea ill get better pics later
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with flash

,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Replies (30)

GerardS Nov 20, 2012 05:56 PM

I thought from the name it would be something nicer. Those are just some ugly snakes man, damn!
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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

thomas davis Nov 20, 2012 07:32 PM

these are F4 thayeri/ruthevin crosses, i did not name them. i have been watching them for years and bought this group because i think they are just awsome looking snakes.
also these are differant... these have no white its "purpleish!!!" the guy who produced them beleives it is a new mutation perhaps tneg!!!
the parents to these literally GLOW
they are a pain to try and get pics, spastic as hondurans but i will be snappin more as time goes on
picked them up at repticon this last weekend along with this lil caliking


keep it real
have fun,,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

GerardS Nov 20, 2012 08:08 PM

Also ugly, at least you didn't copy someone's name for another hybrid. Good job?
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Jlassiter Nov 20, 2012 08:53 PM

Wait until they get older....that purplish will turn white......
That one that is not orange is interesting looking.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

thomas davis Nov 21, 2012 10:27 AM

Wait until they get older....that purplish will turn white......
That one that is not orange is interesting looking.....

the parents are purplish not white kinda like the tneg nelson....
i will get better pics soon

,,,,,,,,,,,thomas
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Jlassiter Nov 21, 2012 11:15 AM

Cool....post em up.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

GerardS Nov 21, 2012 11:35 AM

Yeah, more please!
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

brianm616 Nov 20, 2012 08:49 PM

any idea how many times they've been back crossed to thayer's? because other than the fact that they're albino, i can't see any trace of ruthven's in them.

Jlassiter Nov 20, 2012 08:52 PM

>>any idea how many times they've been back crossed to thayer's? because other than the fact that they're albino, i can't see any trace of ruthven's in them.

Yea, but can point out numerous things that look unlike thayeri.......
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John Lassiter
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GerardS Nov 20, 2012 08:59 PM

A Davis special.....lol!
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Jlassiter Nov 20, 2012 09:04 PM

>>A Davis special.....lol!

Not at all....
These have been around for over a decade.
Pro breeders made them popular at the 2005 Daytona show.
Steve Osborne coined the name pastel kings for them but the amel ruthveni began being crossed into everything a coincidental 3 years after they first hatched for Terry in 1987....,,.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

GerardS Nov 20, 2012 09:10 PM

I meant the post, I remember these for ever.
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Jlassiter Nov 20, 2012 09:56 PM

>>I meant the post, I remember these for ever.
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>>Gerard

OIC
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

brianm616 Nov 20, 2012 09:38 PM

do tell. you know i'm no thayer's expert.

Jlassiter Nov 20, 2012 09:55 PM

>>do tell. you know i'm no thayer's expert.

The black (now white) saddle borders are missing.
There are no mexicana trifoliate or tri-dot head patterns.
Most do not have typical mexicana saddle shapes.
Nuchal blotches are not typical for thayeri.
No lateral speckling....this may come in with age but I haven't seen pastel kings with the gorgeous speckling, which would look more interesting in amel....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

brianm616 Nov 20, 2012 10:57 PM

awesome. thanks for filling me in john.

thomas davis Nov 21, 2012 10:39 AM

the breeder of these told me they were back crossed to thayeri 3times over the course of 10 years(ive known him for 15yrs.). ive been watching them every year and popped on these because of the purple which the breeder feels is a new mutation that has cropped up, time will tell.

,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

bluerosy Nov 21, 2012 11:39 AM

Just absolutly georgeous .

I wish i could get back into making hybrids. They are the best selling colubrids ever.

Thing is you have to come up with something new. Like if someone could breed an Indigo into something else. HA HA! Though some will frown. The person that does succeed will be able to make a few house and car purchases.

Can you say IMPULSE BUY..cause that is who buys them when they see them offered. It is not something you start off looking for. i never sold snakes so quick and from so many diversed groups of people in herpetoculture. What happens with most herpetoculEurists is they stay withi, all those intersts go out the door. Everyone wants the cool factor. The lizard guys, the BP guys, the tort folks, newbies, top breeders ect... you name it. They all want it! If it looks outrageous, they will buy it because they are an impulse buy. Exceptionall new and pretty hybrids reach across all interests in herpetoculture. Steve osborne was no dummy when it came to making money before he had these and he knew when to get out of certain animals and get into (newer) others. Of course these Pastels have been around for a while so the interest in them is reflected in price since the $3500. price tag. But still WOW! Zweet looking animals.

Just goes to show you money talks and all the rest walks.
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GerardS Nov 21, 2012 12:53 PM

He should put those in with some indigos and see what happens. I also think if you throw the leucistic Texas gene in there it would really help with the looks.
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

CrimsonKing Nov 21, 2012 05:48 PM

I think the white sided gene would look dynamite when combined with them...

:Mark
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GerardS Nov 21, 2012 06:18 PM

Yeah, that would look really wacky, huh....
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Bluerosy Nov 21, 2012 08:02 PM

No!,,..

a scaleless indigo would be the bomb!

Then breed that to a tricolor hybino sinaloan.
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GerardS Nov 21, 2012 08:13 PM

They have those????? Cool!!!!! I wonder if he will be able to export them to Florida, after Texas finally succeeds from the union? Lol!

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Obama2012
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Jlassiter Nov 21, 2012 08:15 PM

>>They have those????? Cool!!!!! I wonder if he will be able to export them to Florida, after Texas finally succeeds from the union?

It's secede.........lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

GerardS Nov 21, 2012 08:18 PM

Damn iPad! It's crazy how use to auto correct you get.

I laughed so hard when I heard about that. I called Graham and he was dead serious about that sh*t.
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Jlassiter Nov 21, 2012 09:00 PM

>>Damn iPad! It's crazy how use to auto correct you get.
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>>I laughed so hard when I heard about that. I called Graham and he was dead serious about that sh*t.
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Lol....Texas did it once before....but I'm afraid we'd be flying a red, white and green flag if we did it again.....lmao!

I'm not that hardcore, I just look at the bright side....only 4 more years of Obama and then never again....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

GerardS Nov 21, 2012 09:59 PM

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Clinton2016?
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Bluerosy Nov 21, 2012 10:22 PM

",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Clinton2016?"

ban
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GerardS Nov 21, 2012 11:10 PM

Don't be scared..............
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

CrimsonKing Nov 23, 2012 06:58 PM

she'll be impeached just like her hubby...
:Mark
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