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I have been getting more and more information about breeders that broker the offspring of other breeders as their own. This is kind of a scary thing for those that think their animals are all coming from a single, reputable source/place and it turns out that their snakes are from all over the country. Personally I find this apalling, misleading, and dishonest. If you are trusting that you are getting the product of a specific name and this product is in fact some unknown person's product,... this is just downright dispicable. Who knows what problems "some other breeder" might have in their stock.

Get your supplier to put it in writing that they produced what you are buying. Or at the very least to divulge the origin of the animal if they didn't produce it.

Honestly,.. what is this business coming to?
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Hey how about it, my first response when I don't need help with something.

Well I couldn't agree more. I'm a super super super novice in the herp culture. My first reptile and I get a burm. But I'm the kind of person, that when I get into something I go big. Figuritivly and I guess literally.

I'm come to learn that pet store "experts" do not know ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING. If you asked them what color the sky was, they would try to sell you vita sand, cuz it makes it easier to look at the clouds. Something dumb like that.

I know i'm going over board, but, the place I got my burm is one of the users on this forum and advertise greatly on this site, so I wont mention their name. But I know that if I didn't buy my burm when I did, or if anyone else did that didn't have the resources I do or lack of moderation of getting into things that I do, for sure my burm would have died.

I have had mites, when they said, she doesn't have mites. I've had shedding problems, and I believe a little cold with bugers when I first got her that was passed off as a dry shed.

So I agree to get anything you buy from a breeder, burmese or otherwise. My friend purchased a gorgeous male columbian red tail from a show for $75. I've seen others go for double that aren't half as nice. And the opinion isn't coming just from me, it's coming from experienced herpers and club goers, and other breeders too.

The conditions at this place are just horid. Visible mites all over the place, uncleaned urine and waste, uncleaned GOD knows what in the water bowls. Looks like plasma or something. DISGUSTING.

Buyer beware.

Oh, P.S.

I love Cages By Design. lol

I know exactly what you are saying here. And while it may be comparable or related, it is still a different subject entirely. While there may be a few pet shops run by people that genuinely care about the animals, most are concerned only with making money. I can't say why right now, but this way of operating has no place in the near future. I am predicting that the world will be a much better place for herps as a whole real soon. That the days of selling hundred-lot farmed balls at 2 bucks profit per head will be OVER. I for one do care about the animals and I am sick and tired of them being exploited so some greedy conscienceless SOB can afford a better lexus. For me it is about the animals and their well being and it is going to be a better world for them real soon.

But my point here with this thread was to make sure when you do buy from a breeder, that the animal is in fact from that breeder. What's the point in buying from a select breeder if the animals you are getting are actually from some chap in Canada?

>>Hey how about it, my first response when I don't need help with something.
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>>Well I couldn't agree more. I'm a super super super novice in the herp culture. My first reptile and I get a burm. But I'm the kind of person, that when I get into something I go big. Figuritivly and I guess literally.
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>>I'm come to learn that pet store "experts" do not know ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING. If you asked them what color the sky was, they would try to sell you vita sand, cuz it makes it easier to look at the clouds. Something dumb like that.
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>>I know i'm going over board, but, the place I got my burm is one of the users on this forum and advertise greatly on this site, so I wont mention their name. But I know that if I didn't buy my burm when I did, or if anyone else did that didn't have the resources I do or lack of moderation of getting into things that I do, for sure my burm would have died.
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>>I have had mites, when they said, she doesn't have mites. I've had shedding problems, and I believe a little cold with bugers when I first got her that was passed off as a dry shed.
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>>So I agree to get anything you buy from a breeder, burmese or otherwise. My friend purchased a gorgeous male columbian red tail from a show for $75. I've seen others go for double that aren't half as nice. And the opinion isn't coming just from me, it's coming from experienced herpers and club goers, and other breeders too.
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>>The conditions at this place are just horid. Visible mites all over the place, uncleaned urine and waste, uncleaned GOD knows what in the water bowls. Looks like plasma or something. DISGUSTING.
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>>Buyer beware.
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>>Oh, P.S.
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>>I love Cages By Design. lol
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Pebbles create ripples.
Ripples can become tidal waves.
Tidal waves sink ships.
The largest ships sink the fastest.
All Titanics are created equally.

Bob didnt produce anything this season and was filling orders with other peoples stuff. I know that a lot of his burms died inclucing the Blonde, that thing was awesome!! Too bad, maybe another one will show up.

I was not referring to any one breeder specifically. I'm referring to any and every breeder on the planet. I was simply saying that one should somehow verify that they are getting an animal from the breeder they think produced the animal they are buying, when buying from that breeder. There is nothing so unsettling than realizing that the animal you bought from some famous Joe Blow Breeder actually came from some kid in some other state. Without knowing that kids husbandy practices, or what other animals he may house from God knows where,... it's just increased risk of disease and cross contamination and who knows what else. When you buy from one person and that one person has top notch husbandry and a closed colony then you greatly reduce your chances of a disease pool. When your snakes come from 20 places in the country it undoubtedy increases these chances. So I was merely suggesting that one be cautious and somehow verify with thier breeder where the snakes come from.

As far as Bob is concerned, I have bought a lot of animals from him and other than my patternless green rocks, he assured me that he produced all of the rest personally. I have to take him at his word. This includes many tigers, supers, and albino retics, as well as tiger het albino,.. albino granites and granites het albino, albino labys, and albino patternless, and beautiful hybrids, adult ceylonese,.... and a myriad of other non-morph pythons like jungles (which are brown and cream) and different blood species. There's other stuff that I'm sure I forgot, but you get the point. I have had a few problems, but most were fixed immediately and I am mostly very satisfied. I have not gotten anything from him this season, but I can't imagine him not producing something, man, he has like a thousand breeders,.. the odds dictate accidental breedings, lol.

Are you serious about the blond dying?? Oh man,. that sucks. I was waiting for babies from her. How do you know this?

>>Bob didnt produce anything this season and was filling orders with other peoples stuff. I know that a lot of his burms died inclucing the Blonde, that thing was awesome!! Too bad, maybe another one will show up.
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"I must have some terrible, deadly disease. It seems that everyone that has screwed me in the past always dies mysteriously a few years later." *Lou Cypher*

If some one is wanting an animal for a specific bloodline, or big name. Ask the breeder straight up if he/she produced it or not. I've never had a breeder not tell me, there are crooks out there , i agree. But I have not dealt with any of the "big names" and had an occurence of lieing. I was told up front that he/she did or did not produce it. It is up to the buyer to ask the breeder. And most of the time, a breeder will back the animal as if they produced it anyway. If the buying and re-selling by the 'big breeders'did not take place, little guys would not be able to sell as many animals; and in the same length of time. I just think its the buyer's responsibility to ask, and if not satisfied, go elsewhere. IMHO.