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I would love to introduce a new project that we are working on over here a JHB. This is a brand new mutation and a joint project between JHB Reptiles and Next World Exotics. So the story goes... several years ago Jonathan Dvoretz at Next World Exotics imported a female from Africa and named it the Green Labyrinth ball python, needless to say when i saw the snake about 5 years ago i was amazed at the color and the pattern of the animal. The name Green Labyrinth or Green Labby as we call it was a perfect fit. After 2 seasons of trying to breed the original Labby ball unsuccessful, Jon finally got a clutch from her. The Bee x Labby pairing yielded 3 eggs and out came a labby male which I got the chance to raise up at my facility. I bred the Labby male to a normal female and produced another female Green Labby about 2 years back. This year we have a shot at producing supers from two female Green Labby's. I am extremely excited and humbled to have this wonderful animal in my collection and I can say the same on Jon's behalf. We are both anxious to see how the super form will turn out if there even is one. If not the animal in its Heterozygous form is a great looking snake. This year which I will show in another thread sometime soon in the breeding section we are breeding the male Green Labby to a number of animals and are excited to see how the Labby crosses come out! Pictured Below are all of the Labby's that are apart of this breeding program this year!

Here is the Original Green Labby Female

Here is her son, the proven breeder that we are breeding this year to a couple females for some first time Green Labby crosses!

Finally, here is our males daughter that I produced 2 years back, she is unreal!

So there it is! The Green Labby ball python, Im very excited about the future with this project and hope you guys are as well. Id love to hear what you guys think about the project so any feedback would be great. Keep your eye out, big things to come from these guys.
Thanks for taking the time to check them out. Hope everyone is having a great breeding season.

Thanks
Joshua Buchwald
JHB Reptiles
Facebook.com/JHBReptiles

Interesting. A new mutation is always a treat. So many possibilities.

Can you post a side by side with a normal for comparison?

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1.0 normal BP Nicodemus
1.0 BP Moufasa pos vanilla, fire, cinny
0.4 Cal Kings 3 alb 1 het Dora Queen Ace Pearl
2.0 Alb Corn Bizaar Elixir
0.0.1 Rev Alb Nelsons Oden

Here is the adult female labby and juvenile female labby next to an adult female normal, look at that green on that juvie female!

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1.0 normal BP Nicodemus
1.0 BP Moufasa pos vanilla, fire, cinny
0.4 Cal Kings 3 alb 1 het Dora Queen Ace Pearl
2.0 Alb Corn Bizaar Elixir
0.0.1 Rev Alb Nelsons Oden

hope for a cool super....its the only hope ya got.

I believe their will be a super and it will look great. Im loving the morph on its own and i believe it will make cool crosses..
- Josh

so what makes you think you will have a cool super? Has it been proven? If this animal doesnt have a cool super then its not worth breeding into projects. Ive showed 6 people that have no idea about snakes or anything else and everyone of them said "green...it looks just like the other ones"...

because it does...dont chase things that arent there man...

I believe it will make a cool super because of its distinct pattern and the uniqueness that it shows... The animal itself has proven to be genetic, hence the photos of the other labbys that have been produced.. It is as clear as it can get that they are different then normal ball pythons..did you look at the picture comparison with a normal? They are clearly different. Im gonna breed it into other projects because it is worth it to me.. don't see how that would not be worth it. Showing a subtle morph to 6 people who know knowing about ball pythons would obviously give you the response you received. Example, if you put a black belly next to a normal, someone without a trained eye would think it was a normal, when in fact black bellies are the key to making unbelievable crosses.. like yellowjackets. So for you to say its not worth plugging into any other projects really just sounds like laziness.

Do you know nothing about the history of ball morphs? Go on the classifieds and see how many co-doms are only slightly different from the normals. Yellow belly, het Russo, Spotnose just to name a few. If no one had had the vision to breed similar animals together we we not have Ivories and BEL for example. Don't comment on things you know nothing about and quit raining on this guy's parade. He isn't hurting anybody and if it doesn't prove out the only one hurt is him.
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I am number Nine.

jeff pfeifer

Jeff, couldn't agree more and thank you. The slightest pattern change, color change or anything can lead to great things. So hey why not be excited about something new.
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- Josh

Ill bet you weren't around to pass on orange dreams for 200 bucks.... cause you would have. If you think he is wasting his time then you need to buy a pastel an spider to make some awesome bumble bees! Please go ahead and leave the new mutations to those of us who don't know anything about subtle changes in phenotypes and what that could mean. Ill keep dinking you keep working with those WOW animals.

Everyone has what they like.. I like everything ball python wise EXCEPT for those amazing pro breeders that bash others projects.

Good luck on the labby project buddy, I really hope it makes a cool super for you guys. But I bet it works awesome with spotnose, harlys and the first cross id try would be labby X leopard ... oh hey that was another of those morphs that evryone though was a turd in the punch bowl.. what did everyone without vision call it??? Oh yea non genetic jungle wasn't it? LRotfl.
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Brian Hettinger, Owner
Colten Jones, Operations Manager
480 Pythons
480pythons@gmail.com

i have to admit that i got a chuckle out of alpha's post. funny, but true, imho.

maybe it does have a cool super. prove it out and see. maybe cross it with a few things mojave, yellowbelly, ect, and see what you get. you might have the next hottest morph on the market. if not, than personally, i don't care for paying extra for a snake that i have to look really close and study it to see if it's any different from a normal. i would rather pay for something with the wow factor.

hope it proves out for you...
jonathan

Thats merely a matter of preference, you have people out there who only buy eye catching animals like bananas and GHI's, which i have both of in my collection and love working with. However, there are other amazing subtle morphs like Red Stripes, Black Bellies, Sentinels, Orange dreams, and even dan wolves quakes that make amazing combos and honestly, if you put a green labby next to a normal, there is a clear difference in the two animals. We will have to wait and see, but saying its not worth plugging into other projects leads me to believe that many people are simply only in it for the money and not in it for curiosity and to strive to make new animals. I Will leave it at that and come back to everyone when the crosses are made.
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- Josh

O_o Okay, I know next to nothing about ball pythons and their morphs and *I* can tell that thing is not a normal. The color is completely off, and the 'eyes' in the patterns have soft, faded edges that you don't see on normals. Extra apparent in the picture of these guys with the normal.

Looking forward to seeing a homozygous animal, even if ball pythons aren't my cup of tea!

Great looking project, and thanks for the good pics of the proven animals, my only complaint would have been the lack of a comparison shot to be able to gauge the color subtlety better, but you even included that in a follow up post.

Not every morph can have a super dramatic heterozygous form, recessives have none at all, and yes all of the early dominant, and even co-dominants were much easier to pick out than the subtle ones to come along later, that's why they came along later, they were harder to identify in their het. form.

Not everything can be a banana, champagne, etc and show a dramatic het form, and I have to say that even with just the first posts pics (no comparison to normal) that it was very easy for me to pick out the traits that mark it as different, and spot them in each generation that was identified as being the morph.

IMO way more obvious than plenty of mediocre yellow-bellies, fires, cinnamons, pastels, etc.

Great project, and here's hoping for a dramatic super(homozygous) and lots of exciting combos!

Thanks for sharing it with us.
-M

n/p

Thank You, Ill try and get some more comparison shots, but I should have some crosses coming soon. Right now I have labby x labby breeding so hopefully I will get a nice early clutch of supers!
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- Josh