"the original White Side Brooksi was not... they "popped out" of axanthics"
So now there are three very conflicting stories of how the WS floridana first came about....gotta love it!
So there is what you just stated about how they originated from "popping out" from axanthics.
We'll call that story #1
Then the other two following stories........
Story #2
WHITE-SIDED floridana HISTORY 12/8/09
posted by ~“Upscale”
The whitesided was originated from a single wild caught specimen found on September 17th, 1989. It was found under a fallen road sign in Deem City by Rubio Castro who was serving time and working along US Highway 27 picking up junk when Hurricane Hugo was two hundred miles from Florida and they were picking up loose debris in case it came towards Broward County. The snake was taken to the road crew supervisor, Matt Schenker because he liked snakes and was always checking the roadside while the crew were working. He didn’t know what he had, and brought it to a guy named Leo Dunbar who kept it for a month before selling it to the guy who started the line. The original was a male, and was bred to two female Brooks. One of those daughters was bred back to the father and the first whitesided and known hets were produced. The offspring were divided into two groups and sold to two different parties, unknown to each other that the other group existed. One guy was told they were from a wild caught het pair, and the other was told they were created from the witesided black rat, both lies, by the way. In addition, the original male and a single female were held back, also, without the investor’s knowledge. The original male died before breeding to the female, and the owner bred her to a Florida king male from the cane fields. That started a line that is not pure Brooks, but has been crossed with the other line and is wide spread as a part of the current whitesided line. They started out pure locality from south Florida until that pairing. Supposedly the line from the out crossed cane field crossing actually became a vigorous and bigger line. This breeder acquired a pair from one of the first investors as part of an agreement, and was able to jump start the project because the investor was not aware of the holdbacks. Within just a few years there were about six different people producing these snakes, and they just expanded like crazy and it seemed like all of a sudden everybody had them. Believe it or not, I admit it’s quite a story...
hybrid story #3
Quotes below directly from Rainer on the KS forum:
He didn’t know what he had, and brought it to a guy named Leo Dunbar who kept it for a month before selling it to the guy who started the line. The original was a male, and was bred to two female Brooks
1) This is where the story faulters. As you know I was indirectly involved with this line.
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"I was indirectly involved with the making of the Florida x WS Blackrats" ~ Rainer Weishaupl
This is what i think gerard.
Some of the these snakes like the whitesided trait in Floridana has been bred back so many time that for all intense purposes, THEY ARE A FLROIDA KING. I mean that is what happene in the wild with hybrids. They just get absorbed back into the population. Don't think for a minute that a Florida king never bred to a ratsnake in florida. AND YOU WOULN'T BE ABLE TO TELL THEN EITHER.
I wish i neveR brought it up. Because people hear the word hybrid and just assume ..OH UNPURE! NASTY! COBRA FOOD !etc.
Which is not the case.
Lets talk about something else like nesting or bonding,, KKK!? LOL!
I always told the truth about the snakes. I was also not the one breed the WSmorph into the Floridana. I just found out that the persons who did (one passed away) and the other left the hobby (Tim Ricks)who lied to me and others. I prsonally had nothing to do with making the hybrids. I was just involved in a business transacation early on that the supposed founding stock which produced a ws brooks. Which ended up, was NOT the actual animals that produced the ws brooks. So that is is not where they cme from at all. Thats what got me into researching it. Then after speaking to serval people involved I was able to trace the history of the animals as well as George miskimmon who originated the ws blackrats. Sevral people were indirectly involed like I was. But had nothing to do with the breeding or coverup and falsly claiming these were the real deal.
It was all just detective work on my end.
Pat,
I was indirectly involved with the making of the Florida x WS Blackrats.
Now what I meant by "if you think about it", was that since I make my living off of Florida king morphs. Why would I make that up if it was to dirty the gene pool?
Also it is a long story. I have no idea where the links are. I am not that interested in broadcasting the history anyway.
So either take it or leave it. I don't care.
Gerard S. post:
It seems like the WW Speckled Kings would have been the best choice for him to use. They would have just made animals that already looked close. That does suck if that's the case.
Rainer’s very next response to Gerard:
Nope, they were ws blackrats.
Another response from Rainer to Pat regarding the WS:
Pat,
You alrady know this but. A lot of the old timers did breed hybrids back then and they passed them off as pure. nobdooy questioned them as it "was not an issue"...also because this was when people just started to learn the old receipe book for breeding. Bsiclly this hybrid subject was to new to even be considered in the realm of possibilty in most herpers minds.
And today those snakes are in the hands of purists who are the current "hybrid nazi's" of today.. it funny how life can nip you in the rear.lol , .
Just sayin, a lot of the origins of recessive traits came from hydridzing.
Original KS forum link to entire thread so anyone can try to sift through it to find the real answer through all the smoke and mirrors.
Starts Aug. 17, 2011
http://forums.kingsnake.com/forum.php?page=18&catid=75
So it's very simple.......someone is either lying about their story, or they just "think" they know how they originated and are very misinformed. There can only be one true story of how the very first WS originated. And it's pretty obvious what happened to at least some of them afterwards.
~Doug
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