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I got the first clutch of het x het Albino Cuban Tree Frog eggs this morning. There is a couple hundred but we will see what's fertile in a day or so.
I'm sorry FR, one day you said you got 100 eggs from a a female after her first year. I thought you were pulling my leg but I just did it in less than 10 months so it must have been true. Hahahahahahaha! Just messing with you!
Thanks...
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Gerard
"How awesome would it be to deny the prophecy?"
Congrats Gerard--- Dang, it seemed like just yesterday we were talking on the phone when you albino was being bred. wow---what fast results!!!! Awesome. I'll be bugging you for some albinos...
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Graham, they're yours when you're ready.
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Gerard
"How awesome would it be to deny the prophecy?"
I don't know anything about these types of eggs. Can you tell what will be albino before they hatch?
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These are from the Albino cuban tree frog hets I produced last summer. The tadpoles and eggs are all black because the mother was a wild type het. If the Mom was albino, all the eggs and tadpoles would be white. Because these are from het x het, 25% will turn yellow in a couple days and you will be able to see the albinos.
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Gerard
"How awesome would it be to deny the prophecy?"
you can see the first one. It's a crappy pic but they're so tiny!
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Gerard
"How awesome would it be to deny the prophecy?"
So from left to right they are.....
left: normal (poss. het amel) right: amel
~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing" 
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That is correct, sir.
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Gerard
"How awesome would it be to deny the prophecy?"
That's really cool! I guess I've never really considered what a larval albino frog would look like.
Kyle
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Kyle R. Mara
Common sense is genius dressed in its working clothes. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
They look like albinos, now.
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Gerard
"How awesome would it be to deny the prophecy?"
I have done the same with varanids, you know, explore growth and reproductive potential.
I recieved great results over 20 years ago. No one has equaled those results, oh until lately. A keeper from the UK is now equally many of my records for potential. Their potential. The animals potential.
You as a frog keeper should understand what potential means, explosive potential. Reptiles have potential as well, just not so explosive.
The reality is, its not about me, or the keeper, its about the animals. When you folks make it about me or any keeper. Your lost and its sad.
The reality is, its only about the animal, and its potential, and you the individual keeper. ITs about whether that keeper is willing to support it or not.
Whats sad is, you/most of you, keep kingsnakes in a way, its difficult to learn from the animal. Blind keeping so to speak. So all you know how to do is learn from other keepers and confirm that with the animals. Truth is, again, its not about the keepers, or the methods, its about each animals potential.
Many of you talk and make fun of choices. Again in reality, its not about choices, unless those choices include the ability for the animals to make decisions that allow the animal to attempt to reach its own potential.
Sorry I just returned from the bush, whenever I do that, it makes it hard to look at sweater box husbandry. As it has nothing what so ever to do with Kingsnakes and their potential.
Best wishes and congrats
By the way, it was 99 healthy hatchlings from three 18 month old cal kings. which equals 33 offspring per female. Each had two large clutches. Whats if interest is, most folks think young females are suppose to have tiny clutches and have trouble doing so. I have to wonder where you get that idea?
Whats great about you guys is, you never ask, you just twist and turn to fit your outlook.(on a street level, that means, cover your ARSE)(and this is a street level) So what happened to those females? and what was learned from what they did? Thats the important part.
And thanks for confirming that I have done my job. I have to wonder why you keep me on your mind?
Well, thanks for reminding me. It was a attempt at humor to point out my success with choices. That's why I said I was just messing with you and nothing about actual kingsnakes. I was impressed how they, under optimal conditions, grew and reproduced so much. I understand why they're so invasive and how they took over so fast. It's hard to understand until you see the potential of just one female. My bufo are in amplexus now, too. I've heard 1000 eggs per string? We will see....
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Gerard
"How awesome would it be to deny the prophecy?"
Not to cause trouble, but are you sure, you say, optimum conditions, Are you sure yours are optimal, or are they just reaching normal for that animal. Consider, its normal to reproduce.
These animals reproduce to the bare minimum, below the ability to reproduce is FAILURE in nature. So how is just producing offspring, optimal?
So please explain how your results indicate optimal? with all the success I have had with many many species, I never thought of anything as optimal. I did recieve some optimal results, I alway understood how many mistakes I made, so optimal was never something I entertained. Best wishes
Fair enough, I will rephrase. I kept them in the most optimal conditions I'm able to right now and was impressed by how quick they grew and reproduced. My only failure is a high infertility rate. Some tweaking will have to be done to find out what causes that and figure out how to make it better. I have some ideas but I'm gong to raise another batch from scratch with the new ideas and see if that has better results. I'm actually afraid of figuring that out because the first batch of eggs I got was right around 20,000 and ended up with about 500. Maybe I shouldn't learn anymore about this species, to be honest with you.
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Gerard
"How awesome would it be to deny the prophecy?"
In the begining of KS successful husbandry, there were two schools of thought(base methods) One was coined my me, the other by Ernie(poo) Wagner.
But thats not the story. He was the reptile curator at Woodlawn park zoo and I would building some enclosures there, I moved down the street from Ernie.
He as the first to breed Tomato frogs, @ the time, they were something like $1500 each. Well, he successfully bred them and produce tens of thousands of tadpoles. He also gave a talk on how he did it. And he had another fella from the zoo help him(at home) with his thousands and thousands of tadpoles. He had tanks all over his house, and I mean all over. He worked hard to get as many frogs as he could. IF you did not feed them well, the tads ate eachother. Feeding them well means cleaning tanks almost daily. He had tank after tank after tank. All crowded with tads.
The problem was, others followed his lead, but did not worry about the tads eating eachother. What ended up happening is, He produced thousands of frogs, The others only produced hundreds.
By the time the tomato frogs were up for sale. They were worth a few bucks each. And a few means like, $2 each. A drop from $1500 to $2, in a couple of months.
I was also friends with Bob M @ Sandfire dragon ranch when he first produced Whites treefrogs. It was amazing, it went from four or six fish tanks in his garage, to green houses full of frogs, and the frogs were everywhere, millions of them. Kiddy pools full of frogs.
So yes, getting some frogs right, is not the best idea. Could you imagine what it would be like to take care of 50,000 froglets!!!! Best of luck
Honestly, that's what I call a cool story FR. Such a riveting tale, I honestly copy and pasted it to word, saved on my hard drive, backed it up on a jump drive, drove to the bank, put the jump drive in the safe deposit box, and will leave it there until my kids turn about 12 (when they can actually state their age, and ask what it is I'm showing them), when I will pick it up, put it in an old USB drive reader and relay this cool story to them and tell them, "kids, this is what a cool story should look and sound like...not like the stories your generation tells!
NOT!
HA HA HA HA!
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"the fact of the matter is if folks want "pure" types they should go snake hunting. or at least do some research on potential breeding stock and not just pick anything up anywhere show/petshop"
Thomas Davis
Hi Bluerosy. Your right, The tomato frog story was not about being cool. To me it was a lesson. And the lesson was, We love our animals, we work hard to be successful and surely Ernie did that. The lesson was, sometimes our work and passion allows us to hit a homerun. That is be the firt of reproduce a rare valuable species.
In Ernies case, he hit the homerun, but did not run the bases. The last base, home plate(baseball season now) Is to make money. He did not make any money.
Making money is a good thing, the american way. And it has not a dang thing to do with love of the animal, passion, education or husbandry. Its simply the reward for doing or having all those and more. Best wishes
There's still lots of potential for tomato frogs, any of the popular "pet" frogs, really. It's only space, time, and the ability to produce your on feeders for them to be successful.
I don't understand why he didn't make any money? I would love to have thousands of tomato froglets, right now!
Thanks...
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Gerard
"How awesome would it be to deny the prophecy?"
Yes I do, It's not that hard if you have the right setups. The plan is the same with these as the ones you metioned just not the full potential of how many females I actually have. I setup a really cool system for raising tadpoles individually for some species that take for ever to morph out when kept in groups but weeks when kept individually. Cool story!
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Gerard
"How awesome would it be to deny the prophecy?"
This one female laid about 600 eggs yesterday, crazy.
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Gerard
"How awesome would it be to deny the prophecy?"
Excellent Gerard!......I'm sure FR wishes he could "fail" at everything that well. Geez, I couldn't even believe (or understand) most of what I was reading anyway. I guess you have to be a mega-narcissist and think of yourself as far above everyone else on the planet to understand any of it.
How many eggs would she lay if you were successful anyway..LMAO!
~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
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