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Hi guys,i bought this female as a Buckskin phase Thayers but i am sure it is a Durango.Opinions please?

Maybe it's a mix? I have some gray thayeri that look superficially like a greeri, but your animal looks more greeri than thayeri to me. In any case, I would never refer to that ground color as "buckskin". Looks obviously gray to me . . .

In any case, a nice looking animal. Good luck with it!

Agreed.......

Doesn't even remotely resemble a "buckskin" thayeri. It does display a very typical greeri phenotype though. But no telling if there isn't, or "can't" be some thayeri in it's more distant lineage without knowing the snake's particular history.

Geeeez, how the sellers ever labeled it as a "buckskin" anything is beyond me, but it does "look" to be a greeri in my opinion....that is a safe bet.

~Doug
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Hi !
The pic Shows a classic L.mexicana greeri, you are right with the Durango-Mountain-Kingsnake...

Thanks guys,Greeri it is then.Annoys me a bit that it was sold as a thayeri and the guy on the phone eventually said that it "came in as a thayeri" but they are sorry if its not.No problem,i love her already,shes not going anywhere,just glad i have had confirmation before she was unintentionally bred with a thayeri!As for the male they had,he has been sold to someone else who i have tried to contact to put them in the picture but have had no reply.Just a shame he probably wont know any different and might breed him to a thayeri in the future.

"Just a shame he probably wont know any different and might breed him to a thayeri in the future"

Yes, this scenario is all too common, and with virtually every type of snake in the hobby. Hopefully you can get in contact with the guy at some point.

~Doug
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Just throwing my my opinion as well. That is a very classic looking "greeri" including the solid black head marking, the "Omega" shaped nuchal and the black-bordered red diamonds. It could be a mix but I doubt it because it's so classic for "greeri".

A belly pic could help sway it one way or the other. If it's greeri the belly should be mostly white, with a more or less broken black stripe down the middle and some of the black rings going all the way across. There should usually be no red on the belly.

Most of the "greeri" in the hobby originated at or near Ranch Santa Barbara. The above description is good for most hobby "greeri" but wild greeri have a much wider range of looks at different localites throughout their range.
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