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This is another lay start in 22/04/13...
Male:Anaconda tiger striped 100% het albino x Female: Albino
16 good eggs , 3 eat and 3 slugs......
Sorry for my bad English....

Congrats on the eggs. I have a question. Why are you not offering any type of nest box?

that's my question as well.

Thanks for addressing this issue, you saved me. hahahahahahaha

It would be great if you posted a pic of your nesting and discribe it, next to his. Then ask the question, why did the female eat eggs?

I can answer why, and you can show how to avoid it from occuring.

Reptiles eat eggs is they sense the eggs are not going to hatch. Why waste energy.

You have heard about pair bonding in monitors. Well if a mate dies, the living mate will mourn its death. Then as soon as it starts to rot. Eat it. This can bring up some really cool religious discussions. Just not now. hahahahahahaha

Again, they don't waste energy.

They give their lives to reproduce, and will do anything to ensure reproductive success. But they also know when to call it a day. And eating their eggs is a direct sign of failed nesting. See I did it again!

Frank,
I was wondering what was taking you so long to post on this thread... LOL...

I was in the field and yes, in hognose turf. Sadly all I found was a mohave rattlesnake and a box turtled. The Mohave was a really dark one with gold markings.

As of now, all their movements are underground. It will be interesting to see when they come up. Its really dry now and only going to get hotter and dryer. Oh also saw two leopard lizards. Last fall, I did photograph a couple neonate leopard lizards. They are out of hand.

This week is back to vine snakes. Best wishes

The nest there .... The first female is not proveen breeders and had them out. This female is proveen breeders and every year more and lay out.Other females lay always in the nest.When other lay will post photos.
To eat the eggs she eats them every year .... strong eater. Watch your fingers every time to clean. Sorry for my bad english....

Hello. How are you. Thanks for posting.

Please try and understand this. You have trouble writing in english, Yet you make your point. I would have lots of trouble trying to talk to you in your language.

Now for the point, your snakes are talking to you in their language. You say, nest, but because they do not use it, they are saying, NO NEST. Some use your nesting, others not, means your nesting is not very good, marginal. Which means, lets say, it half works. True nesting, works with each and every female. As its what they do.

What your doing, is not so good. I apologise if you take this poorly. I only hope to allow you to understand your snakes.

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THis is a good underground nesting.

Thank you so much and best wishes.

Thanks for the post. Good tips are always nice ....I think there's always more to learn with nasicus.Is difficult because only one other friend in my country studies and breeds well nasicus ... You nests for what you use? I'll try to change nest for females that lay outside. I use the saucer D30 .... this is last years ....
Thanks for the advice

Do you see in the picture, but the saucer with the hole to see him get up ....

I get on well with the saucer

This is the same female who made the eggs out last year ..... Last years eat 2 eggs....

That "Nest" is no different than not providing one at all. They don't even have anything to dig into or feel secure while nesting. Look at Greg's thread about his nesting boxes and I bet your females won't eat their eggs anymore. You have to realize that these animals dig... I'm sure you've noticed them trying to dig while in their enclosure yes? Read a bit more on nest boxes and I'm sure you'll have better results. Have fun with this one FR.

All you have shown is clutch after clutch of aborted nesting attempts.

When the eggs are scattered all over like that, its not nesting, its dropping the eggs as they start to die inside the female.

In nature, snakes nest like birds. They make a nest, lay their eggs inside the nest and cover the entrance or the eggs, then leave. Each species seeks certain materials and places they inherently know it right.

When they do that, they lay the eggs quickly, neatly, and loss every little weight. Cover the eggs and go again, if they have the energy. The faster they deposit the eggs, the less stress on the female and which means more energy to reproduce again. Thanks and best wishes.

Ok thanks for the advice!! I try to change the nest. I'm happy to finally be able to write on a forum where people understand these animals. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!

Thank you and please look at Greggs nesting pictures below yours. That is a great start, but can be done better(for the snakes) Gregg is being confined by rack systems. But not all of us are.

What country are you living in? Thanks and best wishes

I live in Italy ....
I do not have very large space in my snakeroom and use rack system .... In many books are not about to dig nests ... many great American breeders use paper box with ...
Thanks for the answers .... I used a hot sterilized with earth ... 6/7 cm according to you can be good? The next 2 females seem to like it a lot

Hello

I would love to visit your country.

Many large breeders, use the least amount of effort, not the most, or normal. They do so, because they have lots and lots of animals.

what they do sort of works. I say sort of, because it does not address problems like your having. Scattering of eggs and eating of eggs.

Those are both signs that something is not right.

In nature, they do not scatter their eggs and they do not eat their eggs. That would not be very productive. They dig a nest, deposit their eggs arrange them as Gregg discribed, cover them so other animals cannot find them, then leave and even arrange the outside so it looks normal.

On average, colubrid nests are 12 to 18 inches deep, half a meter deep. They do so for many reasons, some of which are cultural. Which means, it may not be absolutely needed, but do so because its part of their culture(may have been important in the past and still works)

If you look at my picture and Greggs pictures, they look good. like the snake did something. and the female did do something. If you look at your pictures, what does it look like? The snake dropped the eggs and took no more care. And worse, ate some.

Greggs setup is great because it works in racks. I am not restricted by racks. So I use deeper, like they naturally do.

If your happy with your results, then don't change. My guess is, you have a fairly low hatch rate, that is some just do not hatch. Maybe you do not want all to hatch. Thats fine.

But if you do, then make the nests more like what they naturally use.

Also, by not having good nests, its stressful. Please, ask a pragnet women to have her baby in the street, or to hold that baby inside her another week or two longer then when shes ready. Then I suggest running as fast as you can.

You are forcing your gravid snakes to lay their eggs where they do not want to lay them and holding them longer then necessary. They eventually will HAVE to lay them there. but not be so happy about it.

Big time breeders, are not so concerned with the individual snake. Most are very good people, and if you ask them, is their method best. they normally tell the truth, no its not best, but it works for our goals.

In many cases, they cull females that do not work in their systems. Best wishes