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And the trolls.
Continued from below.

Naturalistic= nat·u·ral·is·tic (nchr--lstk, nchr-)
adj.
1. Imitating or producing the effect or appearance of nature.
2. Of or in accordance with the doctrines of naturalism.

Naturalistic observation.
( http://psychology.about.com/od/nindex/g/naturalistic.htm)

Definition:
Naturalistic observation is a research method commonly used by psychologists and other social scientists. This technique involves observing subjects in their natural environment. This type of research is often utilized in situations where conducting lab research is unrealistic, cost prohibitive or would unduly affect the subject's behavior.

For Rick, please understand, discussion is not about right or wrong, our discussion is to promote an outcome. In this case, the outcome you want.
Your discription of what you wanted is indeed naturalistic and if that is what you want, by all means go for it.

My arguement was based on something slighly different,

"Natualistic" was also in terms of behaviors. Unfortunately, I failed to mention that. As that is a main concern of mine with captivity. Achieving Naturalistic behaviors.

I linked and defined What naturalistic observation is. You can see how it relates to naturalistic behaviors.

ALso, naturalistic, means
'nature like". Please understand, it cannot mean, an exact duplicate of nature. And I am not tempting to suggest that. Reading about Naturalistic observation explains that.

Lastly Rick, I cannot recomend to you, or agree with you on something I have not observed. The point is, I have observed home shelters(the space they live in) and they do not align with what your proposing. Yes, you should do whatever you feel is right. But from my experience, I cannot recomend that.

What I suggest is not good display, as en exhibit builder, I can suggest ways to make it look better and be more enjoyable to you. What you suggested, I am sure would be better then most. But does not address specific behavior.

For Troy and the trolls.
Nothing I do or say, period, can force anyone to do anything, over the internet. Hmmmmmmm unless I offer lots of money and I have not and are not going to do that.

I do fail to understand why if someone asks me a question, or I offer my advice, I should offer OTHER THEN my own personal thoughts, observations and experience. Or to appeaseap·pease /əˈpēz/Verb
1.Pacify or placate (someone) by acceding to their demands.
2.Relieve or satisfy (a demand or a feeling): "we give to charity because it appeases our guilt".

To tell folks what they want to hear, is not about the animals, or this forum. To not agree with someone is also not personal, particularly when it comes to applied information. The answer of right or wrong comes from the animals. Not from what we say.

I offer my help in the effort it can positively help the animals and their keepers. Sometimes I get lucky. As you can see, recently, Adamo may have benefited from our(Gregg and I) efforts. I hope it continues to help him, and others.

For Troy and the trolls, If I were nice, and according to you all, that is questionable, The reason you attack me is simply because you do not understand what I say. But your recent posts suggest more then that. You make it personal. That is wrong and what makes you all TROLLS. your activity takes away from and does not add to any subject, other then you. Best wishes and thanks

what gets me frank, is I said I was going to use the soil you said to use, the depth you said to use...and the only thing I was going to do different than you...was add a little surface structure...but you insist that this is going to cause them not to be them and not act natural...bull[bleep]. wanna talk about right or wrong, you are WRONG here brother...

Don't even waste your time Rick. Frank doesn't practice what he preaches and he feeds off of negativity. So your arguments only go to fuel the vacuous narcissistic black hole that is Frank Retes. He simply isn't worth the time or energy, unless of course you find it entertaining to yell at a brick wall, because that's all that it's going to amount to at this point.

The bottom line is, do what makes you happy and what appears to make your animals happy. We have to come to the realization that we cannot duplicate nature, we can only hope (if it is our goal) to mimic just a small fractional percent of it. After all, at the end of the day, we have to come to terms that these are pets, captive bred and kept pets. People keep pets for their own enjoyment, not for the sake of the animal's enjoyment, but for our own. If it were all about the animal, then nobody would or should have any pets at all, simple as that. To delude oneself would be to think that by keeping any animal captive as a pet is to do it solely for the animals sake.

Frank keeps captive animals. And just like the rest of us, he's doing it for his own pleasure and reasons. Where Frank fails is that he keeps deluding himself by proclaiming that it's all about the animals when his reasons and methods are not all that different than anybody else's. Don't get too caught up in this delusion of grandeur, it's a fool's errand.

Take care and enjoy your animals as best you can!
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Troy Rexroth
Rextiles

Troy did you read the discription of "naturalistic observation" Dude, you are just too easy.

A simple behavioral test, half my post is meaningful, and a part to instigate you and the trolls. Man this is just too much fun. YOu fall for it everytime, and all it does is cause you to talk about me. And what you say, has no effect. How could it?

A huge part of these forums are their entertainment value, and man you do your part. Thanks and please, do not burn your fingers on the keyboard.

On other forums, I had partners that helped in this, only they had something to add Herp wise. If you would add something.

Ok, explain the shelters you saw wild hognose use. Oh and show pics, thanks

I apologise for that last post. Please replace it with this.

The hognose snake is a type of colubrid snake characterized by an upturned snout which aids in digging in sandy soils by using a sweeping, side to side motion. They are notorious for playing dead when threatened.

Here you may post messages or questions pertaining to all aspects and issues regarding the keeping, breeding, health, and conservation of all Hognose Snakes.
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Why are you, or anyone else wasting your time trying to use sound reasoning and common sense with this arrogant self-proclaimed, mega-narssisistic ego-maniac??? These sick personalities are best ignored. I have seen his sickening BS for years on the king forum. He absolutely LIVES for the attention he is given!.....It is NOT about the freakin animals whatsoever.....it's about him using snakes as an aenue for any possible SHRED OF ATTENTION he is given. No attention means no fuel for the narcissist to consume. This is why he is once again bringing his insane nonsense up to the very top again as always. It is just another very sick and desperate attempt to ensure that his jumping up and down and waving his hands like a little kid does far down below in the deep dark abys does not get ignored by getting responses down there. I hardly ever go to the other ghost town he helped ruin as well either. Just about everyone I know got sick and tired of it and bailed out long ago to seek out anywhere that he and his infamous two cronies were NOT! Let him float off on his lonely rusted ghostship barge all alone and completely by himself.

There are many other fantastic places out there that he cannot partake in at all. He knows this VERY, VERY well too, because he will be booted off ANYWHERE else he tries to pull this disrespectful BS of his quicker than he can blink his eyes. If he wants to be the big captain Nemo of a rusted carcase of a sinking ghostship, so be it,....but I wouldn't hang around and sink right along with him. I would leave him all to his miserable lonesome.

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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The hognose snake is a type of colubrid snake characterized by an upturned snout which aids in digging in sandy soils by using a sweeping, side to side motion. They are notorious for playing dead when threatened.

Here you may post messages or questions pertaining to all aspects and issues regarding the keeping, breeding, health, and conservation of all Hognose Snakes.
If you are a new user to this forum, please take the time to review the rules first before posting: Terms of Service.

I wouldn't do that. I see no reason to do that, and that was my opinion. What you do is totally up to you.

Anyway, good luck with your enclosure, I hope it works great, and I hope you do what YOU want. But please, do not ask for my opinion, and expect me to change it cause its not what you want. Cheers