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Well the story goes: Years back I breed a stripe to a stripe and produced 37 stripe babies with one albino? So I repeated the breeding and produced 24stripe babies no albinos. Unfortunately mom passed before I could prove any thing more out. I have breed dad on 3 different tries with visuals and none took.
Fast forward a few years. I held back 3 pairs (off course the albino) This year
I breed the albino to the full stripe and got this:


Do you see anything out of the ordinary???





and this??


Here we go again!! 23 babies no slugs on dead(not sure why)full stripe and one paradox albino???
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www.jpcboas.com

That is so bizarre! I hope Dr. Booth weighs in on this one. The stripers are fantastic.

Is the mother of this litter the Albino??? What a crazy great litter too by the way!!! Crazy nice!
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Still an insane litter, but I think the "Albino" is simply genetically a "Het" though visually it is a Paradox Albino. Since one parent is an Albino, all the babies are hets and this one is expressed visually for some unknown reason.

Still a crazy nice litter.

Is the Albino parent a Paradox like this baby? And which parent is it?

Congrats!
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

This is mom

and this is dad

Neither is a paradox. This albino is the one from the original litter of 37 stripe with him being the only albino.
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Have you sexed these babies (all of them).
Once I hear that I might have an answer,

Warren
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Dr. Warren Booth

USARK - Director

No Warren I have not sexed them yet. They were born early this morning. Once they settle in I will sex them and let you know.
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www.jpcboas.com

Since we know that only one in 61 offspring is "visually" a normal Albino, albeit one with a great stripe, the likelihood of bad odds is virtually impossible.

Here are a few theories:

Theory # 1 The eggs and or more likely the sperm that carried the Albino gene were flawed for some reason and were not as successful in fertilizing ova as were the non-het sperm.

Theory # 2 The single Albino male from the first litter is believed to be a Homozygous Albino, maybe for some reason is actually only genetically a "Het" even though he looks to be Homozygous.

Theory # 3 The single Albino male from the first breeding was not fathered by the same male that made the rest of the litter due to a previous breeding by an Albino gene carrying male.

That's all I have. After a nice long drive this morning when I enjoy contemplation.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Thanks for the input Jeff

Well we can count out #3. The females has only been with the one male ever.She was never ever with another male for even a second. So that narrows it down to #1 or #2 or???
Bad odds?

Albino that is a Het?

This one is really rattling my brain. To have the offspring of a single albino and to almost do it all over again with a "visual"
really blows my mind. Now my question is what to do next?
Do I re-breed the same pair? Do I put a different visual albino
to mom and put dad to proven het albino? Do I put the male to another one of the original litter that carries some "markers" for albino? and so on and so forth.
I guess this is the whole fun of the boa world.
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I would say that given the lack of Albinos except one paradox, that the Mom of this litter most likely isn't a het. So breed something to her to make ever cooler critters not expecting Albinos. A Sunglow Lipstick Jungle would be awesome and make some insane kiddies.

As for the male, other than having the satisfaction of figuring it out, there isn't a huge motivation in breeding him to an Albino, though that will answer the possibility of a visual Albino that is only a het. Not much fun though.

Still a killer litter no matter! Congrats!
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

I do have a killer lipstick jungle female that is 2years old that I planned on putting one of the new born males too in a couple years. As far as the female nothing I have in a male sunglow jungle for her. I "REALLY REALLY" like the results of the stripes and tempted to do the same breeding. I do have plenty of plans for her kiddies to strengthen the bloodline.
I also have 4 more from the original litter to play with so...
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www.jpcboas.com

Congrats . . . My question's have mostly been asked & answered but . . . .

I'm a little stumped still . . . . I remember the first litter that you had like this . . .

I had no good answer at that time ! . .

The stripes surely appear genetic !

again congrats but but good luck figuring it out !

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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Yes Larry I am stumped also. I do not know if it a continuation of the first litter seeing how this is the lone albino who fathered the litter. His brother fathered a suspected partho litter this year so who knows?
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My opinion of your internal debate on what to do next --- breed to unrelated Albinos / hets . This will not only answer some questions , but also bring in some different blood to the striping genes.
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Snake room janitor

sweet litter Joe. Those stripes are absolutely killers!!!! Good luck with them. Mike Panichi

thanks Mikes
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After thinking about it and studying the albino paradox my thoughts are (I could definitely be wrong) is that the albino is a under developed(preemie) het for albino that did not have the time to let the real color develop. I think that the female stripe was not het for albino and the male is definitely a albino.
Just a thought but not truly convinced.

As far as the original one albino litter still a mystery and work in progress
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Congrats on an awesome litter. Those stripes are Bad A$$