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“Super Hurricane” aka “Hayabusa”

hjwinner Aug 10, 2013 04:56 AM

The “Hayabusa” - Second’s Out!

After proving the Leopard Boas years ago to be recessive,
now I’ve been blessed with the successful proof of a homozygous color and pattern morph in Ball Pythons, too!
I’m proud to introduce the “Hayabusa”, the Superform of the “Hurricanes”.
On July, 28th I hatched out of a clutch of five eggs from Hurricane to Hurricane one Super Hurricane, three Hurricanes and one normal.
I’m really very happy that the Hurricane has a distinct, and from Blitz and Trick totally different looking Superform and that I finally hit it this time.

Since I’ve published pictures of the first Hurricanes and combos friends and customers where asking me the same question all the time:
“How do you expect the Superform might be looking like?”
I answered this question on showsI’m sure more than a hundred times as following:

"Might be it's black, might be it’s white, it might be black and white, too.
It also might be deformed or lethal – nobody knows.
Though for my part, if I could choose the look - I'd prefer if the Hurricane would just do the same to the Hurricane as it does to the other morphs!"

The Super Hurricane, aka “Hayabusa”, is more distinct patterned; the lateral alien markings don't touch the backline as they do in Hurricanes.
Compared to each other there are much more lateral alien markings in the Super Hurricane.
They are smaller and designed more clear containing a harder contrast to the dark ground color.
This is a gorgeous pattern changer!
Also belonging a bit to the dark side, with its vivid patterns and that reddish hint in its color
it will have a huge positive influence on patterns and color of every morph breeding with.

I think the Hurricanes are currently one of the hottest morphs on the market.
It’s something absolute new and there are incredible possibilities producing stunning combos with all other morphs!

My Dream came True! – Stay tuned for some Killing new Combos, soon!

Thank you for reading.

Looking forward to the comments of my American friends,

Hans Winner from Germany

Following picture shows a Hurricane compared to th

Replies (12)

steelersdiehard Aug 11, 2013 02:23 PM

I have to say those are LLTs (Tricks) all the way there are no variables from what we have produced. The combos are identical to the Tricks' as well. Congrats on the new blood line. It always nice to see some of these new genes at work!

snakeman Aug 11, 2013 02:57 PM

The combos that are being made with with the Hurricane sure look to have already been made with the Trick gene several years ago, except for the supposed Super which can't really be said to be a super until raised and re bred itself . It appears that some people just like to use someone's good fortune and rename stuff to go in another direction.
That being said....Congrats on your new line.
Watch out for all the imposters out there.

skind Aug 11, 2013 03:40 PM

Looks like a Liesen TRICK to me..........

imridethelghtng Aug 11, 2013 03:59 PM

I normally dont like to post bad pictures like this but in this case i feel it is justified unfortunately this snake died in the egg but same stripe on the back same crazy pattern looks almost just like the hayabusa this is a combo produced from Liesen Line animal
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Kevin Harrison
Too many pythons and boas to count

imridethelghtng Aug 11, 2013 04:13 PM

these I produced last season from Liesen line also look the same
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Kevin Harrison
Too many pythons and boas to count

PythonidaeEmpire Aug 11, 2013 04:43 PM

Looks like a Liesen Trick to me. As a proud owner of this gene I can say that pretty confidently.
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Pythonidae-Empire

CedarRidge Aug 11, 2013 06:26 PM

This Hurricane gene is a complete fraud. How can someone name a gene a different name that is actually the same as a gene that has been established back in 2006 or later. What I am trying to say is this "Hurricane" gene is actually a "Liesen Line Trick" or "Trick". I currently own a Trick so I know what one looks like and I purchased it directly from Gary Liesen the sole creator of the Trick. This would be like someone calling a VPI Axanthic an "Grey Phantom", NOW , as an example. What needs to be done, is calling this morph a "Super Trick" AKA "Hayabusa". I hate people to try to gain fame from someone elses good fortune.

CedarRidge Aug 11, 2013 06:28 PM

This Hurricane gene is a complete fraud. How can someone name a gene a different name that is actually the same as a gene that has been established back in 2006 or later. What I am trying to say is this "Hurricane" gene is actually a "Liesen Line Trick" or "Trick". I currently own a Trick so I know what one looks like and I purchased it directly from Gary Liesen the sole creator of the Trick. This would be like someone calling a VPI Axanthic an "Grey Phantom", NOW , as an example. What needs to be done, is calling this morph a "Super Trick" AKA "Hayabusa". I hate people to try to gain fame from someone elses good fortune. By the way, a Trick is a Trick no matter how you look at it.

Radibas Aug 11, 2013 09:18 PM

I would like to say that I have to agree with the response post to this. A Trick is a Trick, even if it is re-named. I have been following this gene for some time now and have produced Tricks myself. At times I wish that I had the ability to be bold enough to have re-named some of the animals I have produced, how ever I just can not do that. Shoot if I could do this I believe it would be the third or forth RE-Name of the Trick, as I believe it has been done already!! Hats off to the original maker of the Trick, Gary Liesen as I do not notice him responding the way that others such as myself have. Someday I might get brave enough to rename a morph and be a star.

cd9900 Aug 12, 2013 08:18 AM

The Trick gene must be very popular since at least two people have renamed it. The super hurricane looks just like some of my pretty Tricks.

Brandon Osborne Aug 12, 2013 07:31 PM

The Paisley Ball. Congrats! Very nice!
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

cypresscreek Aug 15, 2013 10:32 PM

I'd just like to say when you come out with a new bloodline of an existing morph and publish it on this forum you can certainly stir up a big fuss real quick. I know this myself from experience. When I came out with my bloodline of Vanilla the year after Chris McQuaid of Gulf Coast Reptiles hit on that gene. I posted mine as Thunder and the super as Lightning. I didn't even know Chris had done it. But I found out very quickly, as I cought holy hell on this site.
Now It's just regarded as the only other bloodline of Vanilla.
I like your new gene or should I say bloodline. My advise would be to acknowledge the similarities to Trick, and the fact that it could (probably) be the same blood line.
All the trash talk you are getting in the above replies are coming from lesser minds that you needn't worry about. The haters will hate, and the back stabers just love a chance to stab you in the back. You've established your self as a top notch breeder, just get back to work crank out those killer morphs man.

Great Job
Keep up the good work
Tom Carlton
Cypress Creek Reptiles

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