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froggystyle34 Oct 07, 2003 06:35 PM

Al Qaeda Mobilizes All Its Forces for Iraq

From DEBKA-Net-Weekly Aug. 22

August 26, 2003, 6:19 PM (GMT 02:00)

This week, Al Qaeda came out with a claim of responsibility for the huge truck bombing at UN Baghdad headquarters on August 19, in which 23 people lost their lives including senior UN representative in Iraq Sergio Vieira de Mello and some 150 were injured. The al Qaeda message appearing on an Arabic Web site accuses the United Nations of being a branch of the American State Department and against Arabs and Muslims.

US officials are reporting their sense that hundreds of Osama bin Laden’s members are now operating inside Iraq alongside Baathists in their bid to undermine the US presence and reconstruction efforts in Iraq.

In its last issue, Number 122, DEBKA-Net-Weekly reported a surge of electronic messages calling on every al Qaeda adherent in the world to mobilize for the battle in Iraq. ”Victory over the United States will be far quicker than many think,” say the messages.

Never before, according to DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s counter-terrorism sources, has al Qaeda staged a general mobilization. It is no propaganda exercise. The response has been enthusiastic and its impact noticeable.

Al Qaeda combatants have been racing towards Iraq in large numbers along four main routes. The most surprising and most recent is the path from western Saudi Arabia through Iran, about which more hereunder.

The Pakistani-Iranian route: Claims by senior Iranian leaders of having thwarted Al Qaeda attacks inside Iran are but a smokescreen for the mass influx of Osama bin Laden’s men into the Islamic Republic from the east: The group entering from the Pakistani border region of Baluchistan forms up at the Iranian cities of Zabol and Zahedan; the group from the Afghan town of Herat foregathers near the north Iranian city of Mashhad.

Iran’s all-powerful Revolutionary Guards have their intelligence units conduct “security checks” at both assembly points to establish the terrorists’ real identities and origins. They are watched by men loyal to al Qaeda operations expert Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, who is thought to have set up his base in Tehran. Once they reach northern Iraqi Kurdistan, they join the Ansar al-Islam extremists heading south to Baghdad and the Sunni Triangle towns of Ramadi, Tikrit, Balad and Fallujah.

Ansar is held responsible for the Jordanian embassy bomb attack in Baghdad last month. This Iraqi al Qaeda affiliate, once no more than 600 to 800 fighters, has swelled and set up two new units: Jund al-Allah, or “Soldiers of Allah”, and al-Usad, or “The Lions”, indicating a Syrian connection. (Bashar Assad’s name means lion.) Its members are deployed along the northwestern Iraqi-Syrian border, attaching themselves to the al Qaeda arrivals from Syria.

The two groups have already executed joint strikes in the northern Iraqi oil city of Mosul. In one, they attempted to assassinate the local chief of police, but only seriously wounding him.

The Syrian route: At least 1,000 al Qaeda men have traveled along this busiest of all the corridors into Iraq, DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s counter-terrorism sources report. Damascus International airport is logistical hub and main distribution point for Al Qaeda operatives flying in from Central Asia, Chechnya, the Balkans – mainly Kosovo and Bosnia – Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states and even Iran.

Many Al Qaeda fighters turned back by Iran for security reasons go round through Damascus, some hosted at the teeming medressas, or religious schools, other at Palestinian terrorist training camps operating in Damascus. Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command receive a large part of their operational funding from Tehran and moreover collect a fee per head for every Al Qaeda operative they train.

On their way into Iraq, Osama bin Laden’s men transit Syrian-Iraqi frontier lands dominated by nomadic Saudi-Iraqi-Syrian Sunni tribesmen. For almost a decade, DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s intelligence and military sources reveal, Saddam sent monthly stipends to tribal, clan, business and clerical leaders ruling an area roamed by two million of these tribesmen. Once a year, Saddam resettled several thousand demobilized Iraqi officers and their families in the region with orders to assimilate and set up familial relations with the local tribes.

Since the money dried up from Baghdad, Syrian-administered Iranian funds have been disbursed to those tribal leaders. As a result Saddam loyalists are still in control of the tribal regions which US intelligence has found impenetrable. A rare intelligence source knowledgeable about the region told DEBKA-Net-Weekly : “It is true that guerrilla attacks against the Americans are launched from the Sunni Triangle. However the logistics and the consignment of fighting strength to the Triangle are directed from the tribal territories.”

In the last week, the flow of Syrian and Al Qaeda fighters across the frontier into Iraq has doubled.

The Saudi route via Iran: This is the newest channel, first set up in mid-July - but also one of the busiest, believed to have accommodated 1,500- 2,500 Saudi al Qaeda combatants transiting Iran at the rate of almost a thousand a week. Some are thought to be on the run from the Saudi hue and cry conducted against these fundamentalist terrorists since the May 12 Riyadh bombings. Another group appears to consist of Afghan-Pakistan combat veterans obeying the call to arms and eager for the chance of revenge for their rout in Afghanistan. They are also looking forward to an advance base from which to strike down the Saudi throne.

The opening of this route means that for the second time in two years Iran is granting Saudi al Qaeda combatants free passage from one anti-American battle arena to another.

Like Syrian president Bashar Assad, who claims to know nothing of the al Qaeda fighters passing through Damascus, Tehran too says it is powerless to halt their through-passage into Iraq as tourists on valid Saudi passports. They all head to the western Ilan region, where local smugglers help them cross over to the Iraqi towns of al Kut in the south or Baquba in the center.

The Saudi route via Syria:

The same Syrian-Saudi Sunni Muslim tribes who crisscross the Iraqi-Syrian frontier also trek along a north-south route between Syria and Saudi Arabia via Jordan. En route, they collect Saudi, Yemeni, Sudanese and other al Qaeda fighters all heading towards the Iraqi battlefront.

Despite this surge of al Qaeda traffic into Iraq, Washington is reluctant to send reinforcements to the 140,000-strong force shouldering the extra burden and casting about for foreign troop increments.

US administrator in Iraq Paul Bremer and American military commanders have asked the Bush administration for two more divisions at full strength to meet the fresh contingencies. President Bush has promised a decision in early October. US field commanders fear the six-week delay will exact a heavy toll on security in Iraq. They predict -

A. The guerrilla war will intensify and the infiltrations of Al Qaeda and other anti-American elements further build up.

B. Strategic parts of Iraq will fall under the control of the Islamist terror group as it ranks are beefed up by unimpeded infiltrations.

C. Tehran will intervene on the side of the Sunni Muslim campaign against the Americans by sponsoring more terrorist attacks like the bombings of the Jordanian embassy and UN HQ in Baghdad. This intervention may draw Iraqi Shiites into the conflict whereas at present they view it as a “purely a Sunni war”.
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

Replies (20)

herpconsultants2 Oct 07, 2003 07:03 PM

Well well, what a surprise! If any of that comes as a shock to anyone, then they are naiive fools. The last time I bothered to pass by here I made similar predictions. And I see this forum is still littered by the same posts going over the same things. I'll get slated for even posting this very message.

Keep "fighting" the war!?

Anyway, let's hope the killing stops soon. I can't see it happening though.

God save the Queen! (I'm very pro-British, but against the Iraq campaign, if it is possible to be proud of my country yet disagree with it's actions elsewhere)

froggystyle34 Oct 07, 2003 07:19 PM

wow that made a lot of sense, way to add some itelligent info into a converstaion. that really made aabsolutley no sense at all to me, and i dont flame on anyone.

well but look at it this way, if it wasnt for the US military you would be speaking german right now
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

H+E Stoeckl Oct 07, 2003 07:34 PM

The royal airforce defended England successfully without the help of the U.S.
You are right, the total defeat of Hitler would not have been possible without the U.S.

But even when the U.S. would not have joined the war Germany wouldn't have been able to occupy England.

And don't forget the USSR! Germany has had already massive problems in Stalingrad. Even without the U.S. help Hitler already has had difficulties.
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froggystyle34 Oct 07, 2003 07:43 PM

Wrong again, sure the royal air force held them off for a while, but if not for the intervention of the US Hitler would have taken over damn near the whole part of that world, even with the great Russia against them. If it wasnt for the US stepping in Hitler would have developed the bomb he was trying to for the longest time, cant remember what they called it. well that is what i think. but hey opinions are like a$$holes everyones got one.

believe it or not herman i still consider you a friend and enjoy our little debates. thats why i will not resort to name calling or wall building....lol

take care man and thanks for the debates
froggy
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

herpconsultants2 Oct 07, 2003 07:57 PM

we're not the incapable nation you may paint us as. You did afterall want our cooperation for BOTH Gulf Wars. The point you are making here is a ridiculous one, and really doesn't warrant further comment or "debate" as you like to put it. But, here is a little info for you on the turning point of the German campaign against Britain:

Theatre: United Kingdom

Dates: June to September 1940

Location: Britain

Area: The skies above the Southern Counties and the Channel

Outcome: BRITISH VICTORY, FORCING HITLER TO POSTPONE INDEFINATELY HIS PLANS TO INVADE ENGLAND

Note: The Battle of Britain marked the first major use of radar, which strengthened British defensive capabilities enormously and was a significant contributor to eventual victory.

Players:
Britain: RAF Fighter Command under Air Chief Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding, based mainly in south east England

Germany: Luftflotten 2 under Field Marshal Albert Kesselring, based in north east France; Luftflotten 3 under Field Marshal Hugo Sperrle, based in the Low Countries

Following the evacuation of the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) from Dunkirk, Hitler issued a directive on 16 July 1940 ordering the preparation and, if necessary, the execution of a plan for the invasion of Great Britain, codenamed Operation Sealion.

Britain retained naval superiority and Hitler knew an amphibious invasion of the British Isles would only be possible if Germany could establish control of the air in the battle zone. The German High Command launched a campaign to gain air superiority over southern England and to knock British morale.

On paper, the Luftwaffe had a clear advantage. They entered the battle with around 1,300 bombers and dive-bombers, and about 900 single-engined and 300 twin-engined fighters - significantly more than Fighter Command's 600 planes.

But the Luftwaffe was hampered by a lack of any consistent plan of action. It tried to establish a blockade by destroying British shipping and ports, attempted to destroy Britain's Fighter Command through combat and the bombing of ground installations, and also attacked London and other important cities.

In addition, the British forces were well prepared. Radar early warning technology, the most advanced and the most operationally adapted system in the world, gave Fighter Command adequate notice of where and when to direct its forces to repel German bombing raids.

The Spitfire, though still in short supply at the time, was arguably the best intercepting fighter in the world and proved deadly against the German bombers, which lacked the bomb-load capacity to strike permanently devastating blows. German dive-bombers were extremely vulnerable to being shot down by British fighters, and fighter cover was only partially available since the German fighter aircraft were operating at the limit of their flying range over England.

The German air attacks were initially focused on British shipping, ports and airfields along the English Channel. In June and July 1940, as the Germans gradually redeployed their forces, the air battle moved inland.

On 2 August, the Luftwaffe chief, Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring, issued the Adlertag (Eagle Day) directive, a plan of attack in which a few massive blows from the air were to destroy British air power and so open the way for the invasion of Britain.

This intensive phase began on 8 August. The Germans launched bombing raids involving up to 1,500 aircraft a day and directed them against the British fighter airfields and radar stations. By late August the Germans had lost more than 600 aircraft and the RAF only 260, but the RAF was rapidly losing badly needed fighters and experienced pilots and its effectiveness was further hampered by the bombing damage done to its radar stations.

At the beginning of September the British retaliated with a bombing raid on Berlin, provoking Hitler into redirecting Luftwaffe attacks from Fighter Command installations to London and other cities. This gave the RAF a much-needed breather, but intensified the Blitz on British cities.

By mid-September Britain had effectively won the Battle of Britain, denying the Luftwaffe air superiority by shooting down German bombers faster than they could be rebuilt. On 17 September, Hitler postponed Operation Sealion 'until further notice'.

The whole speaking German thing is such an American fallacy. hell there are times I wished I didn't speak English! But I am proud of my nation's heritage and history. I am proud to be British. I am not proud of our recent treatment of the Arab world. That does not make me anti-American before anyone says it! I have an opinion, and I am sticking by it. Like I said, I have said all along this war will lead to a drawn out guerrilla war and increase the risk of terror. I also doubted the presence of WMD. So far, I think I have been right. There haven't been any WMD. The war is still going on and shows no sign of stopping. And the risk of terrorist acts seems higher than ever! I may be proved wrong.

froggystyle34 Oct 07, 2003 08:16 PM

yes i believe that the US/UK bond will never be broken,a nd yes the if ti wasnt for us you would be speaking german is a fallacy, but it paints a damn good picture of what happens if there are not alliances in the world. and yes the gorilla warfare was inevitable, that is with any war. i for one am proud fo England as well and America, again out alliance makes us the strongest in the world. good bad or indifferent there is nothing you or i can say or argue about that is going to change what is going on right now. unless we decide to nuke the place...lol but thats not going to happen.

froggy
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

herpconsultants2 Oct 07, 2003 08:24 PM

Coming from an environmentalists point of view, I hope that a nuke isn't dropped! There's some nice reptiles in Iraq you know!

froggystyle34 Oct 07, 2003 08:30 PM

yeah i know thats why everybody call me the croc hunter out here. i keep catching well some snakes, and a bunch of lizards. although unfortunately alot of them get killed because they go to places where people live. i relocate if i can though. i do have some geckos in my tent liek about 50 of them i let off in there to eat the mosquitos and sand flies
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

H+E Stoeckl Oct 07, 2003 08:07 PM

... I am glad that you are seeing it in the same way. Let's just agree to disagree in some things and that's it. And that's the way it should be.
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herpconsultants2 Oct 07, 2003 08:11 PM

Exactly!

herpconsultants2 Oct 07, 2003 07:45 PM

If it wasn't for the British military we would MAYBE be speaking German now. Please, WWII was a long campaign, and it wasn't just won by the Americans! The Royal Airforce fought a great campaign against the Luftwaffe, and I suggest you look at some history books! Even if the Germans had won the war, I sincerely doubt I'd be speaking German now. Oh, and my family were German anyway!

Judging by your response I guess you are pro-war. I think you made you post to show that Al-Gaeda are in Iraq. However, if you read the post it talks of Al-Qaeda movement (at a scale which I think is a little exagerrated), not previous occupancy / connections.

Furthermore, your post did nothing more than emphasise that the current campaign will do nothing more than bring further ruin to the area, and to the "West." That is my opinion. And that is what your post was outlining. If the Al-Qaeda are moving into Iraq, it's because they are fighting a war. I disagree with that. But I disagreed with the war in the first place. And why? Because I could envisage high casualties, a prolonged guerrilla war, and worse still, an increased risk of terrorism in the UK and the US. I am yet to see any evidence that my fears were unfounded.

Alternatives? Well, it's too late for that now. But I know I wouldn't have led troops into Iraq. I might have sent the SAS in to eliminate Saddam, but I wouldn't have started a war. Oh, and I certainly wouldn't now sit back and allow Israel to do whatever it bloody likes! If Iraq had bombed Iran say a year ago, because some terrorists had done a suicide bombing in Baghdad, can you imagine the response???

We are living in dangerous times, and they are getting worse. Time to rejoice and be proud? Personally, I think not!

froggystyle34 Oct 07, 2003 07:54 PM

i know exactley what the article says and means, and yes i am pro war being as how i am sitting in iraq as a type this message here. as far as history yes you would be speaking german, if not russian, i love the english hell i lived there for five years. i love the way they act speak and stand for there convictions just like you are, but on the other hand they are stubborn, just like we are.

i do not agree with isreal doing what it wants, nor do i agree with the north korean nuke project, but my security clearance isnt even high enough to breathe the same air as the decision makers, so i will serve my country and yours if need be proudly and true.

froggy
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

herpconsultants2 Oct 07, 2003 08:04 PM

Do you honestly think the Germans would have eradicated every other language in Europe had they succeeded? They seemed happy enough to let the French speak French! Anyway, I don't give two monkeys about what I would or wouldn't be speaking. We were allies and that's all there is to it. If Germany had taken over Europe and Russia it would have eventually have taken over North America as well, so your point is irrelevant! So maybe it's me that should be saying "if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German now." You see? A stupid comment that can never be verified.

Anyway, I feel sorry that you are where you are. Just try and keep safe and treat the Iraqi people and culture with respect.

And enjoy the sunshine I guess!

H+E Stoeckl Oct 07, 2003 08:14 PM

that England is an island.
The pilots of the Luftwaffe only had a few minutes over England until they had to come back due to the lack of capacity of the fuel tanks.

This along with the radar (which was impossible to bomb then) helped you win the airbattle.

I agree with you that Hitler would not have been able to occupy England (except he would have developed nukes). And this is an important reason that I am glad we have not won the war.

And furthermore I think the European Union is a great thing!
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herpconsultants2 Oct 07, 2003 08:18 PM

Yes, there can be much speculation but it's impossible to ever know. (like the German occupation of the US! lol)

Did you get my email by the way?

froggystyle34 Oct 07, 2003 08:24 PM

no i dont think we would have been speaking german, because eventually herman would be borna nd built a wall around the US and we could have kept our native tongue...lol

well like i said all that was, was a littel euphamism (sp) about the power behind alliances and i truly believe that if france and germany would back the rebuilding of Iraq it would go alot faster. as for the history lesson you are not telling me anything i do not know, as my great great grandma was english and my grandpa was scottish, so i have heard it all. well anyways thanks for the discussion and good luck in Europe. and hey Herman, i will give it to you germany has the best chocolate in the world, and that nutella stuff is awesome as well....lol

as for england well the beer was cold and ready just like the woman...lol joking of course

froggy
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

herpconsultants2 Oct 07, 2003 08:27 PM

When you're in London give me a shout and we'll see if you can drink like a woman! lol

God I need to be careful here saying "sexist" things like that!

froggystyle34 Oct 07, 2003 08:35 PM

trust me man there have been many of nights out on the PISS as you guys call it. not anymore though. hey i used to work as a bouncer in the square at the equinox, and the hippodrome. those were good times man let me tell you.
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

herpconsultants2 Oct 07, 2003 08:40 PM

I bet they were! Working as a a doorman myself I know how much fun there is to be had!

H+E Stoeckl Oct 07, 2003 07:22 PM

Thank you for posting this, froggy.

It proves my opinion that the war on Iraq does nothing else than enhance the terror.

One can not fight terror with terror unless one is acting like Hitler who slaughtered 20 civilians out of a random village for every german soldier that has been killed by a partisan.

One can only fight terrorism by changing the reasons that has led to terrorism (and please don't reply now that this is exactly what you did).

Anyway, you opened Pandoras box with this war. The Israelis will do the rest to make the whole region blow up (and maybe even more than the whole region).

And that's just for the sake of money for the big companies who prey on the war.
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