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Panacur ?

PaxErisia Oct 08, 2003 03:25 AM

My vet just recommended a worming with Panacur (even though there is no indication that my monitors currently have worms--it's just prophylactic), and I was wondering how safe it is to give. My male sav, Cortes, is unfortunately very sick at the moment (uninterested in food, regurgitating, etc.) from what the vet thinks is a bacterial infection, and I don't want to make him any sicker. On the other hand, I do understand that parasite loads can easily overwhelm sick lizards, so I don't want to leave the worms alone either.

At the moment, Cortes is in a cage with about an 85-90 degree ambient temperature. His basking spot hovers around 120.

Thanks in advance.

Replies (11)

meretseger Oct 08, 2003 04:57 AM

Just curious... did the vet give you an antibiotic?
If it was me I'd want proof that the animal actually had worms before I gave it medicine for worms. But I'm pretty much a newbie at things like that. Out of the couple animals I have that have been given Panacur, I've seen no bad short term effects but I can't say anything about long term effects.
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PaxErisia Oct 08, 2003 10:54 AM

I, too, tend to be cautious when giving worm medications (hence the question). Cortes has had worms before, but I wanted to make sure that Panacur wasn't incredibly harsh. I did get antibiotics for him, and I moved him into a smaller but slightly hotter cage for the time being. He ate a mouse last night and kept it down, so I feel encouraged. Hopefully all he needs is antibiotics and heat.

bengalensis Oct 08, 2003 02:27 PM

Your mentioned having an ambient of 85-90, is that the normal ambient or, the ambient since hes been ill?
I would have to agree about the wormer. I would not worm him unless he needed it. My vet tried to do this with my BT. Monitors arent understood very well, and I think that vets do this because they are trying to locate the problem through trial and elimination. I dont know about you, but I dont want my BT experimented on.
A couple years ago I adopted an adult WC Bosc monitor. It was regurging from the start. The vet ran the tests, but nothing substancial was ever found. Today I believe it was purely sress that killed this particular animal. His appitite was pretty good until the day he died, but he just didnt keep anything down. And talk about a skitzo animal! He was as nutz as any WC Nile Ive ever seen!
I hope for the best for you and your Monitor!

Best regards,
Michelle

meretseger Oct 08, 2003 06:07 PM

My vet just pancur/metro 'ed an 8 gram gecko of mine... without consulting me first AGAIN! He took him to the back and I didn't find out until I read the receipt on the ride home. I need a new vet.
So it BETTER not have any long term effects. I think I've heard worse things about metro, but I get the names mixed up.
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PaxErisia Oct 12, 2003 02:14 PM

Well, Cortes has had problems with worms in the past, so I gave him the Panacur, since the dosage was on the low side and I don't think he got the full dose anyway. The 85 degree amibient temperature is for while he's ill--normally I try to keep the ambient temp somewhere around 80. I also moved him to a slightly smaller cage (the better to keep him warm), and he seems to be doing better. He eats as much as I'll give him, and lately he's been feeling up to exploring a little bit. He hasn't been crapping as much as he should, though (like once every three days).

I didn't worm my other sav, Xanax. She's never had worms, and she's perfectly healthy, so I was sort of annoyed that the vet wanted to do it. Plus, Xanax is a WC "Humane" Society rescue, so she's nearly impossible to give meds to.

Thanks for everyone's replies and concerns.
Des

ra_tzu Oct 08, 2003 09:54 AM

Panacur is relatively safe.
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Snakey Oct 08, 2003 01:06 PM

Uh oh, the dreaded worming question. I am just goig to say it like this. I asked a very similar questions and got jumped. I will tell you from my expereince as many will only say its "fine" and not give much more info from that. I am not going to go into details as my post was trying to get an answer that many didn't know and they went to critisize.

Anyways, panacur has been known to do damage. Will it? More not than yes. But there is a possibility. There are several other med's that are out there and in my experience the ivermectin subcutaneously didn't do very well, if anything beside removing a few eggs. The one I can say that worked very well and was recommended by several reptile zoo vets and another herp vet in New York and Texas, said strongid works well. All I can say is give the correct dose and double check the vets math.

My white throat was very emaciated upon arrival and thats what I get for buying a wild caught. But unlike most, this one pulled through. And it wasn't from luck, well, most of it. I explained to many that my husbandry was fine and some insisted on not worming at all. Well, I CAN say that he would not be in the position today that he is and most likely would be dead! They said why worm if he is eating. Well, moving into captivity is stressful and the worms were making it worse. I say worm it, be careful, do NOT handle it, and feed it as much as it will eat, soak him as the meds wil dehydrate him and leave it alone until the next feeding time. If it appears healthy and fat don't worm it. Period, the meds are hard on the system and will cause more stress. If it is a wild caught and is emaciated then do it before it gets to far to do and then you'll be trying to keep it alive let alone worm it. I never handle my white thoat. Ever. The only time handle him (its a proven male) is to soak. And everybody who knows white throats know for some reason they just don't seem to like water very much and are horrible swimmers. So I keep the soaking water at shoudler height. I soak once a week. He gets handled two to four times a month and its less than 2min each time. He never tries to bite. Not once. I respect him to be left alone and he allows me to move him without a fuss. Besides, I think we both like it that way. Fromt eh first time I got him to now at 2.5 months later, he grew to 3x the wieght he was and went from 1.75 ft to appx 3ft. So I guess I am doing something right. Go with your gut and not from what everyone has to say. frankly, there are some here some here who appear they want to help but really don't care if it lives or dies. You just have to go with go with your gut feeling.

G Quirk Oct 08, 2003 03:01 PM

Where do you get your info on Panacur causing damage? Have been using it for years, with excellent results. All AARV vets that I have talked to and or worked with have never had anything negative to say about Panacur. As a matter of fact, it is known to have a large saftey margin when it comes to dosing errors. Just curious.
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Snakey Oct 08, 2003 08:31 PM

I have heard it from several individual veterinarians around the USA that all do not know eachother not to mention individuals who have spent many years with these lizards. It is not my job to give out names and wouldn't like my nmae out there for people to chew on. Like I said in my post above, It will more likely than not be not acute but it has been known to happen. It is not guaranteed to be 100% safe in reptles as it was not made for them.

ra_tzu Oct 08, 2003 08:49 PM

Hey Snakey. It's been awhile. Was strongid made specifically for reptiles? Has it been as effective and safe as Panacur for treating nematodes. I currently use Panacur for nematodes and have had great success with it. Just wondering if their is anything I should be concerned about. I have used it with great results and was under the impression that it was extremely safe to use. Thanks.
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bengalensis Oct 08, 2003 09:40 PM

Ivermectin is also notably "safe", with incident being rare. It takes alot of this stuff on a relatively healthy animal to be harmful. Its a different story when youre talking about an already failing individual though.

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