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Parsons Purple Guyanas prove first 100% BCC Incomplete Dominant Super in Captive History?

(Top) Photo of what I found this morning.

(Middle) Photo of a super. The ladder tail doesn't quit and the big side medallions in the heterozygous form turned into side stripes. The head and eyes are dark and almost patternless and the belly is white and patternless. More to come.

(Bottom) Photos of Mom before breeding and looking awesome.

That's pretty awesome! Congratulations.

So, this is pretty obviously the Roswell gene, right? Without any BCI influence?

Best wishes on this fresh awesomeness.

Looks similar but the Super Roswells that I have seen photos of have no ladder tail and just a few if any saddles. I have not paid much attention until now.

Het siblings

I can't remember right now if this photo was sent to me by Jeff Parsons or Jason McGill who Jeff sold it to but its my favorite patterned BCC of all time and fortunately it was genetic and I was able to perpetuate it with all of the time, effort and passion that I put into this hobby.

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Congrats!Those tails are fricken gorgeous.Im not asking to buy,but curious?...Is to the price it would take to pry that super out of your hands?LOL

well done, Mike! I got out of True Red Tails and into Bloods (brongersma) a few years ago....but these animals could get me back to the Boas.
Hope all goes well-
Jim Lineberger
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"He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain what he can never lose." (quote from Jim Elliott, "Shadow of the Almighty"

Thanks Jim. I know you were interested in 2012. Hopefully, these will get you back into Boas. I sold my collection of red Malaysian Bloods and other stuff a number of years ago to focus on the boas and these in particular.

What a glorious litter! I'm deeply in love.

If you look at Don Patterson's Facebook, he's got super Roswells for sale that are a dead ringer for that super. I thinks it's fantastic to find yourself with an exclusively BCC morph, and a great one to boot!

Similar, but this Guyana is not missing a single saddle. When stretched out, it looks like a ladder tail all the way to the head.

Mike I don't even know what to say...WOW!
It's a damn shame that it feels like the hobby especially the BCC guys are dying out.
I am still plugging on in the back ground.
If this doesn't get boas enthusiasts excited I don't know what will. Seeing this litter is like a shot of adrenalin in my arm.
They look great, thanks for sharing.
Put me on "the LIST" for Hets. LOL

take care,
Andy

Thanks Andy. I have been hoarding these because they are my favorite BCC but plan on releasing several 2014's. You are on the list!

Cool litter!

However, that baby is not *proven* a super. It looks very promising, but it must be raised to adulthood and put through a breeding test. Breed it to a normal and get 10 or more with no normals. Then I will accept it as a super.

There you go. I am not a morph guy and that's why I had the question mark on my original post. Thanks for the info. I spent the last six years raising up the parents so hopefully I can do it again for this one.

Wishing you the best of luck with the project. I would be delighted if that possible super passes the breeding test. Those snakes are beauties!

While technically accurate, and nobody else so far has successfully "proven" a Roswell or Super version of the Roswell Laddertail, we all understand what the "Super" version of these look like. Even though it hasn't been technically "proven" yet.

Congrats on proving the next step on your project! It is very cool!
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Congrats on seeing a project through to this point! The "Super" is fantastic and the Hets are crazy nice too!!! I have a few comments for you that may or may not be helpful.

- Yes this is the first incomplete dominant BCC as in non-Colombian or true Red Tail locality types.

- In the BCC as in non-Colombian but true Red Tail locality realm there are I think two known or at least potential mutations. The Hyperpigmented Peruvians. None of which so far apparently have lived very long. I have produced them myself with disappointing results.

- There is also a line of Patternless Peruvians that are known only from a single female Peruvian that has produced them twice via what is believed parthenogenesis after being bred with Harlequin Hypos. That female Peruvian is gravid right now by a Peruvian, so if she does not "Partho" we might just have BCC 50% possible hets born in about four weeks.

- It is my opinion that you should not call your mutation Roswell. I wouldn’t. Some would demand that you breed two of them together to see if indeed they seem to be on the exact same location making a “Super” form. I highly doubt that is something you intend to do. I wouldn’t. Even if you did and that made a “Super” visual, that still will not prove anything. Breeding a Roswell Laddertail to a Motley makes something that looks very similar to a Super Roswell including the black eyes. This even though they clearly are not in the same location, given their different genetic relationship with the Hypo gene.

- I’d give them a unique name all your own. You have done the work and seen it through to fruition. That’s my take on it.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

- As for the pattern being different from what you might have observed in the Roswells; Since we have only seen maybe a dozen Roswells so far, or for clarification, the SUPER form Roswell, they vary a lot from Super to Super. Some have zero saddles. Some have many Saddles. I think you may have only seen a single example of a Super version of your new creation yourself. There is no reason to believe that your single Super and all future Supers will all look identical either. So I expect a range of different looks in your Supers.

Anyhow… that is my two cents worth and worth at least half that. Congrats again on some great babies and a great result!!!
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Thanks Jeff, I definitely won't call them Roswells since that name is already taken and they aren't Roswells. I am reluctant to calling them anything other than nice Guyanas or genetic connected saddle laddertail Guaynas because they are 100% true redtails and don't really want to play the morph game with them so as not to confuse them with BCI or crosses or something. I realize they are BCC morphs however and if you recall from a previous post I made a couple of years ago, all of the connected saddle laddertails (hets) born so far have a genetic marker of missing the pattern under the head and having black or dark lower labials while all of the "normals" have the normal pattern under the head and labials. That is how I know these are incomplete dominant despite the fact that the original unrelated female who produced the first two litters in 2007 & 2008 was also a connected saddle laddertail. It turns out she was just a normal laddertail like you sometimes get from any bloodline. After noticing this marker, I knew this was not a result of selective breeding and pretty much proved that in 2012 when I produced my first litter of these (the third one ever) by breeding my 2007 female to my unrelated golden Guyana line and got more "hets". I may just refer to these as Parson's Guyanas since he was the first to produce them. He was more of a python guy and didn't really recognize what he had produced (or maybe he did but did not have an interest). I got them simply because that was the pattern that I was looking for (kind of my fantasy Guyana look) and did not care if they were genetic at the time but thought that they might be after seeing how extreme the original Sire was and how some of the babies came out. Maybe I should refer to them as Richmond Guyanas after the city they were first born in kind of like you did (I think it was you) with the Key West BCI connected saddle laddertails. Parson's or Richmonds, I'll take public opinion. Here is one of my 2012's. You can see the gold influence. The other photo is one of the 2008's "Purple Haze".