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I know you guys won't know her genetics at all, but I just want to see from a trained pitbull owners eye, if she looks deffinatly like a pitbull to you?
Lilli is 9 months old, and we got her from our local Petsmart store, where on weekends adoptive dogs would come in for people to see and maybe give a new home to.
We had all always been leary of Pitbulls because of all the bad things you hear about them, but I have finnally realized, it's not the dog, its the owner, and how they are treated, and trained in how they will be in temperment, and i guess genetics might have a huge factor in it as well.
Can pitbulls have spots? Lilli has spots in her coat. I have seen black and white pits, and I have also seen brindel pits.
Lilli, is all of these, she has black spots, she has brindel stripes, and large areas of black with white.
She's a very georgous dog if you can't tell...not to mention a total sweetheart! The only two problems we have with her is when we have her on the leash she pulls hard, but just about any pup does that until they learn how to walk correctly on a leash. She also wants to continously chase my Maine coon kitten, so we have to put my kitten away when Lilli is out to play and socalize. I feel bad that we have to do this to Maddie (the mainecoon) but we don't want to risk our cats life. If Maddie is just sitting still (like if we hold maddie and show her to lilli) lilli will lick her, and soon get bored of just staring at her, and leave her be, but as soon as Maddie gets up and runs Lilli wants to dash after her like a mad woman! lol. And like I said, we just don't want to risk it.
Other than that, Lilli (said Lily) is the best, *seriously* the best dog we have ever owned, or even been around. So lovable, she loves even the tiniest children, loves puppies, and absolutly loves all our other dogs (doberman pincher, 2 australian cattle dogs, and 2 siberian huskies)...and here, I thought we couldnt get any better than Sidney our siberian husky female who is so loving but will nip if her furs pulled on or if she's nervous about another dog. Lilli, she'll just blow you away, you can pull on her ears (we test this so that if children visit, they will not be hurt by our dogs, if they do nip we dont have them out when kids are here) and she just keeps doing her own thing (which is usually giving kisses, or chewing on her chew toy). You could step on her tail by accident and I'm almost 100% sure she wouldn't bite, unless you kept standing on it. You can pull on her lip skin (as a child might do) and she just gives you this look like "uhh...okay...you're so weird" and tries to lick our hands lol. She knows how to sit, but I'm seriously having trouble teaching her to give me paw (which even our *dumbest of dogs* (doberman *kia) knows how to do lol). Lilli just looks at me like "hand that treat over, it's for me right?"
Anyhow, I'm sorry i went into talking soo much about Lilli, but this dog is absolutly amazing! It's kind of ironic, the most thought of aggressive dog, ends up being the most kindest and sweetest dog we've ever had the opportunity of meeting. I understand now, even if Lilli isn't exactly all pitbull, i understand now, pits are falsely accused. Speaking of that, every dog we own is on the top ten most aggressive dog list...its not the breed, it's how they were brought up.
Anyhow, heres Lilli, i will try to put up a few others for you guys to view, and decied what you think she is.

Lilli again!

nehi, who is a cross between a border collie and we think a pit bull.

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sue, cheyenne the American bulldog bully, and nehi, her long suffering border collie/pit bull mix

Hello there, thanks for replying you guys!
Nah, I doubt she's a greatdane, i mean, yeah she could be but i seriously doubt it, our friends have a great dane, and she's a speck compared to it. She weighs 55 some lbs, that's what the vet said. She just got her stitches taken out last night and the vet said she's deffinatly got pitbull in her, but for all "we know she could have shar pe (sp?) in her. Not saying she has shar pe in her but just saying she could deffinatly be a mix between anything, but she deffinatly has the physical charateristics of a pit.
That dog, Neih (did i spell that right, sorry). She looks a lot like our Australian Cattle dog, Ruby, well her head does atleast. Her head shape looks soo much similar. Lillis got a total pitbull head, the muscular jawls, her mussle looks a bit longer than a pure pits, but not by much.
Oh and im sorry i spelt brindle wrong, i type like a maniac so sometimes i make mistakes. I won't be asking too many questions on here about training her, that's not the problem, I just wondered what you guys thought she was. I've trained just about every dog we've ever owned. (doberman, aussy cattle dogs, aussy shepards, siberian huskies...). All I have to work on with her is the leash training (we do use a choke chain, only when training her, we only leave her collar on her when she's in her krate or out in the run), and working on the cat deal. A friend of mine has a pitbull mix that will chase cats but she now has a kitten in the household with Kea the pitbull, and my friend said with a lot of work, her 7 year old pitbull has learned to ignore the kitten with firm corrective tactics like saying "no" firmly, and praseing her when she licks the cat and is friendly or corroperative around it, and I will have to work on that with her.
She's a wonderful dog no matter what, and I know from experience that she's not just going to change her attitude one day from this sweet dog she is, to an aggressive dog. I know from experience that there are signs that dogs have even from pups that can give you an opportunity to tell if they have the pottential to be aggressive. There are 2 other female dogs in the house hold with Lilli, a spayed, grumpy, 8 year old pure black australian cattle dog named Ruby, and a schedualed to be spayed 1 year old female black/tan doberman pincher Kia. Out side are 2 akc siberian huskies (male and female) and a blue merel 9 year old australian cattle dog neutered male named Ged. The only problem dog we have is the grumpy female Ruby, because as she's gotten older she's just gotten very crabby, and only wants to be around people and not other animals, so we dont have her out with other animals...case closed.
Lilli is going to be pretty easy to train, but tricks, now that's going to be a different story haha. She'd rather just have the treat then understand that I'm asking her to do a trick.
We're going to start taking her on walks constantly to work on the leash training deal. And the kitten problem, well, that will either take time, or it will take them being separated constantly from eachother. Oh and don't worry, when we're not supervising the dogs, they are put in their krates, and the cat roams the house. We don't leave our dogs loose, well, except Ruby who is shut in my moms room, she doesn't need krated she knows the drill.
We've owned many dogs and many animals (horses, cats, goats, rabbits, ferrets, skunks, raccoons, pigs, birds, many breeds of dogs and even bred the huskies...etc) for many years, and I'd like to say we know what we're doing now, only thing is we've never owned a potential pitbull before and now that we know she is some what pittie, I'll know how to deal with certain things about her. Btw, we're not spur of the moment buyers, when we get animals, we have already read up on them, and know what we're getting into. If we were spur of the moment buyers, we'd be raising white tail deer right now...haha, but after we read up on everything about them we realized that wasn't for us.
My moms been curious about pitbulls for a while, but i was always nervous to get one, i was always reading wrong untrue information about them.
Don't worry, Lilli isn't going anywhere, we're not like that. God, it took us 2 hours to decide if she was really the right dog for us, and she deffinatly is. Better than any dog we've ever owned. At nine months, i'm sorry, but i disagree, at nine months, i can deffinatly tell who she is temperment wise.

Hmmm....she sure is cute! I think I see some great dane in her. How big is she?
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""""I just want to see from a trained pitbull owners eye, if she looks deffinatly like a pitbull to you?""""""

OK,let me tell you....Your dog could be a number of things and then again could be pure. You see if the dog was adopted out paper work on purity is done from that point. They will not pay to keep the papers going and is impossible to get them.
You will never know if it is pure...

Next, for the record, for learning and not bashing, it is spelled brindle.

Ok, she is 9 months so not stable as far as animal temperament yet.......

""""We had all always been leary of Pitbulls because of all the bad things you hear about them, but I have finnally realized, it's not the dog, its the owner, and how they are treated, and trained in how they will be in temperment, and i guess genetics might have a huge factor in it as well."""""""

Well, good to see that someone knows and can help many more.....

"""Can pitbulls have spots?""""

Yes, american pit bull terriers (apbt's) can be any color. In the dog show they can be any color but NOT over 80% white or more.....She is what alot of certain bloodline dogs look like. For one I have seem the spotty chest and black and white patches on Colby dogs. They are one of those who tend to have those markings. But many other dogs crossed with this line or others also have this pattern so don't think it is like a Harlequin great danem dalmation, etc....I have been working dogs for over 20 yrs. I have trained police, military, and industrial plant dogs for many years. So, behavior is "correctable" to an extent.....

""" The only two problems we have with her is when we have her on the leash she pulls hard, but just about any pup does that until they learn how to walk correctly on a leash."""

You are exactly right. If you use a choke chain then use it right. Pinch collars are more severe, effective, etc. but once again must be placed on right and at the right times or the dog could DIE. I'm serious........

""""""She also wants to continously chase my Maine coon kitten, so we have to put my kitten away when Lilli is out to play and socalize. I feel bad that we have to do this to Maddie (the mainecoon) but we don't want to risk our cats life. """"""

Good, b/c if the cat were left alone then that's what may happen but in a much more graphic description... The dog is too old to start "adjusting " its instncts. Can it be done? Yes, but you are not at the house of an experienced trainer with me working the dog and honing its behavioral skill. Which overrides the instnct and followsd orders...It would be far easier if the dog were younger... you don't know the dogs history and what it was taught before..... Never leave the cat nor this dog with other dogs or cats now or here on out. She may work it out with the dog (given its the opposite sex if not hopefully spayed so the pheromones aren't in the air, DEAD serious) If not. Never leave an eye away from them...!!!!!!

"""""""If Maddie is just sitting still (like if we hold maddie and show her to lilli) lilli will lick her, and soon get bored of just staring at her, and leave her be, but as soon as Maddie gets up and runs Lilli wants to dash after her like a mad woman! lol. And like I said, we just don't want to risk it. """""

It is the primal instinct. The same goes for people. Don't you hear all the TV kiddie commercials saying don't run from a dog? well, we are trying to say when you run you put the dog n hunt mode. When a wolf see something run it feels it needs to eat and this meal won't come for a while regardless if it ate a few hours ago.....
The cat runs, it gets killed, eat? Maybe not killed? yes!!!

You could step on her tail by accident and I'm almost 100% sure she wouldn't bite, unless you kept standing on it. You can pull on her lip skin (as a child might do) and she just gives you this look like "uhh...okay...you're so weird" and tries to lick our hands lol. She knows how to sit, but I'm seriously having trouble teaching her to give me paw (which even our *dumbest of dogs* (doberman *kia) knows how to do lol). Lilli just looks at me like "hand that treat over, it's for me right?"

That is typical behavior of a pit bull. #1 what would a dog bred for the pit be like if he ran off of a scratch or has wounds? How would a human boxer look if he stops when he breaks a nose or cuts an eye? They don't feel it the same way. I train in the martial arts for yrs and have learned to set that rack aside while in the moment of getting a win. Its sort of the same, perspectively.
The same goes for the breed when humans are concerned. APBT's weren't bred for guard dogs nor attack work originally. SO it is in their genes not to want to bite humans. Would you walk into a pit back in 1903 to fight a dog if you knew the other dog may attack you? No way Jose'......They have been bred to tolerate humans for 100's of yrs. Any stranger during those time could have picked up a fully wounded dog without fear of getting bitten. You see I work with many animals. All sorts and sizes. In the area of dogs, I worry most of working with injured other breeds. With APBT's I don't have the same fear if any of getting bitten from an estranged dog....

P.s......Nice dog....Take care of it and don't send it back into the streets. Come here before you have it, well, just come here with your questions to correct a problem....

From the pic, I'd say Lilli has a good portion of Pit in her. To see a lot of pic of other pits, and read a good q&a, go to pittbulls.com.

I have been around apbt a bit, and now own a stray that is some kind of pit mix. Mine has webbed feet and bird-dog spots with jackrussle ear/eye patches. (Guess I'll just put in a pic)

This pic was taken about 3 months ago. He is MUCH bigger now.

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/tecbrat/images/tapeball2.jpg
when I tried the image, it came out blank. Try the link if you'd like. (hope I don't get banned for putting in a link)

Logan Neo:

tell us more about her or him, please.
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sue, cheyenne the American bulldog bully, and nehi, her long suffering border collie/pit bull mix

Obviously without a pedigree or seeing the sire or dam it is impossible to tell, but just by the look of her I could almost guarantee that Lilli is a pitbull and a damn good looking one at that. I wish you the best of luck with training her to give you her paw (lol I've had the same problem in the past) and I am so glad to hear that someone else has found out what a joy this wonderful breed can be. Loving, courageous, eager to please, and most of all a family member.