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Hey guys, Im new to this forum but am totally traumatized. I run on a daily basis around my neighborhood with my female Rott. However yesterday was a shock! A Dalmation was being walked by a little boy , Trinity (my rott) was very interested in her. But, knowing that she has a history of growling at other dogs i wanted to keep the dogs seperated. But, the dalmation wanted to be around TRinity.Teh little boy could not control his Dalmation. (She was walking him) I commanded Trin with the leash, i yelled at her and nothing worked she just went after the Dalmation. They "fought" for about 2 minutes or so, if it wasnt for a man that helped take the Dalmation away I really dont know what Trinity would have done. I am totally upset and bewildered at Trinity, I had no control of her whatsoever and that scared me. That has never happend before, I always have had control of her. Thankfully Trinity did not hurt the other dog, but now Im thinking that she will attack again. Trinity has been trained by a personal trainer, to be an obedient doggy, not an ATTACK dog. Trin was a rescue dog and ive had her for a year now. She was not socialized with other dogs, but this is the first TIME she has even dared to attack. What do you guys suggest?....Im frightend about what will happen now. Will she foever be aggressive? Can i not run with her anymore?...AHH@!!!

>>Hey guys, Im new to this forum but am totally traumatized. I run on a daily basis around my neighborhood with my female Rott. However yesterday was a shock! A Dalmation was being walked by a little boy , Trinity (my rott) was very interested in her. But, knowing that she has a history of growling at other dogs i wanted to keep the dogs seperated. But, the dalmation wanted to be around TRinity.Teh little boy could not control his Dalmation. (She was walking him) I commanded Trin with the leash, i yelled at her and nothing worked she just went after the Dalmation. They "fought" for about 2 minutes or so, if it wasnt for a man that helped take the Dalmation away I really dont know what Trinity would have done. I am totally upset and bewildered at Trinity, I had no control of her whatsoever and that scared me. That has never happend before, I always have had control of her. Thankfully Trinity did not hurt the other dog, but now Im thinking that she will attack again. Trinity has been trained by a personal trainer, to be an obedient doggy, not an ATTACK dog. Trin was a rescue dog and ive had her for a year now. She was not socialized with other dogs, but this is the first TIME she has even dared to attack. What do you guys suggest?....Im frightend about what will happen now. Will she foever be aggressive? Can i not run with her anymore?...AHH@!!!

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Get more training, this time with a trainer or behavior specialist who is skilled with head halters. You can regain control of your dog and put a stop to further incidents. Act quickly before this becomes a habit.
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Kathy Diamond Davis, author, "Therapy Dogs: Training Your Dog to Reach Others," 2nd edition, and the free Canine Behavior Series at www.veterinaryforum.com

Do you know anything about the dogs past before you adopted it, Alot of the times you never know the dogs past and the issues it might of had, which could cause this, so always be watchful around a adopted dog

A Halti, or Gentle Leader, head harness will help you keep your dog under control. They work along the lines of a horse halter. Just be sure to read the instructions for proper placement on the head.
You may also want to consider enrolling in a basic obiedence class at the nearby pet store. Even tho your dog has the basics, a very important part of their training is socialization. With the one on one training, the dog gets only the needed lessons, but not how to behave around other dogs.
Good luck and keep us posted.

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Claudia and the Booze Hounds
Brandy & Hooch,CGC
Without dreams there is no need to work,
without work there is no need to dream

FYI Rottweilers are very very powerful dogs. Halti collars are not always the correct method of leash training for Rottweilers.
I speak out of experience with the Halti's and I would not recommend it!
If the dog wants to get a something enough it will take you or leave you...

Please read the following:

The pinch collar is a much misunderstood , and therefore misused and underused , tool which can be of genuine value to the dog trainer. I believe that the cause of the misunderstandings lie partly in the appearance of this implement and partly in the names by which it is generally known, but mostly in a lack of thought about the relationship between this implement and that used by that supremest of all dog-trainers , the mamma-bitch.

MY THEORY OF WHY PINCH COLLARS WORK
Most people assume that the pinch collar works as a negative reinforcer or as a punishment because it causes a sensation of pain. Those who can't stand the thought of inflicting pain on their beloved dog therefore refuse to use a pinch collar. Those who see their dog as a willfully disobedient and defiant adversary or those who are angry with the dog, those who have for the moment forgotten their love for their dog, are often too willing to use pain as a motivator and assume the more the better, thus use the pinch collar harder than necessary, often with adverse results. Those who love their dog but recognize that the contrast between pleasant and unpleasant results of the dog's right or wrong response to a given stimulus greatly aid the dog in learning will generally read their dog well enough to use a pinch collar well, even though they believe that it works because it hurts.

It is my belief that the true power of the pinch collar is the similarity in the sensation it makes when popped and released to the sensation made by the mamma-bitch briefly grabbing the whelp by the neck with her teeth. Thus the impact on the dog is through his social psychology by making the statement " I , your mother, don't approve of your behavior", rather than through his self-preservation psychology by causing pain. Since the bitch rarely bites the puppy's neck very hard , it should not be necessary to give more than a moderate pop on the pinch collar, and indeed for the most part I find that a light to moderate "pop" is all that is needed. Only if the dog is quite excited with his attention intensely focused on some object or activity, thus dull to perceiving other sensation, would a stronger jerk be needed in order for the dog to notice it and respond. Thus an appropriately guaged pop will gain the dogs respect for the leadership of his handler and will impress him that the behavior in which he was engaged is disapproved, but it should not make him feel fearful. I hope the recognition that one does not necessarily need to inflict severe pain on the dog will encourage those of you who have heretofore been unwilling to use this useful device to try it --- especially if your training mentor advises you to do so and is willing to supervise your first few attempts.

In line with this "sensation of mamma's teeth" theory, we might also put this quality to work when we give a scruff shake or a muzzle-surrounded-by-hands type of rebuke by including a bit of poking or pinching sensation from our fingernails to simulate the teeth of the bitch. ( Those who bite their nails are out of luck.) Those who use any of the muzzle-constriction halter-like devices sold under various names ("Halti", "Kumalong" are also utilizing a mamma-bitch rebuke and could emphasize this (if needed) by putting a few blunt rubber nubs on the inner surface of the noseband.

(Update : "Kumalong" seems to have dropped by the wayside, but the "Halti" has become popular and the halter formerly known as "Promise" and now known as "Gentle Leader" has become popular. Today everyone advocating the use of halters proclaims that the psychological basis is the communication of social dominence, ie the mamma-bitch message and the pack-leader message, telling the dog to relax and be subordinant and follow the leader's cues.)

THE GHASTLY APPEARANCE OF THE PINCH COLLAR
There's little doubt that the appearance of the pinch collar, looking very barbaric , causes many people to believe it must be an instrument of torture. Those who know better may still be unwilling to use one in public because they fear the disapproval of those who see this ugly contraption and believe it to be an implement of torment. Well, there's an easy answer : camouflage. You could tie a bandanna over the pinch collar, which looks quite jaunty and is considered stylish by some. You could stitch a wide flat band of leather or fabric to the outside of the pinch collar. My own answer has been to flatten the links slightly and slip the collar inside a length of 2" wide tubular nylon webbing (from the camping store), then poke the prongs through the inner surface of the webbing. The sole disadvantage of the latter two methods is that they make it difficult to shorten the collar by removing links; one can still add links easily to lengthen it. Now any experienced dog trainer will quickly spot a camouflaged pinch collar and smile knowingly; but the non-dog training ignorant member of the public will never guess. Those matches that forbid use of pinch collars will generally forbid a camouflaged pinch, even though the reason given for the prohibition is "well, we are in a public place and so we have to think about the way we appear to the general public". (Note : halters are also disallowed at AKC events. The rationale for this is totally unclear to me.)

(Update : interestingly those who use a halter often find that members of the ignorant general public look at it and think it is a muzzle and tht therefore the dog waring it must be a dangerous biter. So much so that "Gentle Leader" sells a button one can wear on one's shirt that procalims "It's NOT a muzzle !" Of course many who use halters welcome the chance to educate others as to what they really are. As these tools have become more popular, the public recognition of them as a pleasant means of dog-control has increased.)

WHAT'S IN A NAME?
The names "pinch collar", "prong collar", and "spike collar" certainly tend to foster the belief that the collar operates by means of pain. These names discourage many people who need such a collar to control a strong or unruly dog from using them.

Many shrewd training class leaders have recognized this and therefore refer to this tool as a "power steering" collar or as "the equalizer". These names seem to help to make those who need this tool more willing to use it. Such names imply that the handler is using it to compensate for his relative lack of physical strength as compared to the dog --- which indeed is often true for many women and slightly-more-than-middle-aged persons when dealing with a healthy and exhuberant young Bouvier or Rottweiler. Still the implication is that the collar operates in the realm of the physical, rather than the psychological, and so fails to emphasize the concept of the mamma-bitch.

Let me suggest to those looking for another name for our friend the pinch collar that they might well refer to it as the "mamma-bitch" collar or the "listen to me , I am your Mother !" collar.

Yea, verily, if thou woulds't train thy dog , thou shoulds't go to the bitch : consider thou the ways of the mamma-bitch and emulate her !

by Pam Green

It does sound like your Rott has dog agression issues and she needs to be worked with... You must bring her to a reputable trainer to assist with ridding this agression.

Good luck

Rotti_Fan
I liked your post it was very informative.I have used a pinch collar before. I used it on my mal. It was a wonderful tool. Of course I tried it out on myself first to see how badly it would hurt. It was a sharp pinch not extremely painful but enough to get attention. It did not work with my lab mix. She would get the pinch and keep on going. I found the halti worked best. But I can see your point for a Rotti. I probably would never put a halti on my friend's rotti.