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Co-ownership...

Purball Mar 30, 2004 09:36 AM

Hey guys... does anyone have the 4-11 on co-ownership for me? The breeder we're looking at (GR) would like to co-own a dog with me. I believe it's the only way we're going to be able to get a puppy from her (and we all adore her dogs... mum&dad) I understand that I keep the pup at my house etc. I pay for it so to speak, do all the training etc. BUT if the breeder ever wants to use him for stud then she has to pay for all of the clearances and gets him as stud free of charge..... there are a few bugs to work out/

THese things are probably different from one breeder to the next eh?! okay...

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Sara,
Owned by...
Macintosh

Replies (5)

PHFasDog Mar 30, 2004 10:46 AM

Here is my opinion on this. I would only want to keep an intact male around IF I planned on showing him, is that what the plans are for this pup? If not, I wouldn't go into this partnership. It is quite common for show dogs to have co-owners and have an arrangement like this. If he isn't going to be shown though, there is no reason to breed him. No reason to co-own. IF he proves not to be show or breeding quality....I'd want a stipulation in the contract that says he becomes all yours.

Risks to not neutering in my opinion are too greyt to not neuter a pet dog. Testicle cancer can be a problem in intact males. Aggression can be another, especially to other male dogs. An intact male can be difficult to train and live with. If he smells a female in heat, he will do anything he can to try to get to her, which can mean going after your other dog, to going after you. Now, this doesn't mean any of this will happen. I've just heard horror stories from people who breed and keep intact animals together.

I do hope some other people who have lived with and bred dogs will pop in and let you know how this works.
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Melody/PHFasDog
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Shadow, Jadzia and Lyta.
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Purball Mar 30, 2004 06:40 PM

Well, I can assure you that for the 20 months we owned our intact male, Finnegan, he never was aggressive or anything like that!! The new pup will be a showdog, both confirmation and agility if possible. There is that stipulation and if at any time I don't want to continue the co-ownership it would be terminated AND the dog neutered.

I have to wonder though if that is correct about it being dangerous for the dog to have testicles... in the wild dogs would NEVER be 'altered' so how is it any more of a risk?? I find it strange that having a vital part of their body chopped off is for the betterment of them... ican see why for unwanted breeding reasons..but to me the health of THAT dog won't improve.
I could be terribly wrong... Macintosh (current golden) is fixed...
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Sara,
Owned by...
Macintosh

KDiamondDavis Mar 30, 2004 07:17 PM

>>Well, I can assure you that for the 20 months we owned our intact male, Finnegan, he never was aggressive or anything like that!! The new pup will be a showdog, both confirmation and agility if possible. There is that stipulation and if at any time I don't want to continue the co-ownership it would be terminated AND the dog neutered.
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>>I have to wonder though if that is correct about it being dangerous for the dog to have testicles... in the wild dogs would NEVER be 'altered' so how is it any more of a risk?? I find it strange that having a vital part of their body chopped off is for the betterment of them... ican see why for unwanted breeding reasons..but to me the health of THAT dog won't improve.
>>I could be terribly wrong... Macintosh (current golden) is fixed...
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>>Sara,
>>Owned by...
>>Macintosh
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The dog has been so altered by selective breeding that its reproduction is no longer natural. Wolves only go in heat once a year, dogs twice. Wolves mate according to a pack structure and do not breed indiscriminately, but dogs do because they have been bred to do so. The domestic dog isn't a wild animal, and their reproduction isn't normal. Neither are the diseases they get.
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Kathy Diamond Davis, author, "Therapy Dogs: Training Your Dog to Reach Others," 2nd edition, and the free Canine Behavior Series at www.veterinaryforum.com

Midask9 Mar 30, 2004 11:10 PM

There are numerous websites listing the possible risks involved with having an intact male, both temperment and health. If you would like me to find links for you, please ask. Your vet should be able to offer insight as well. Also to consider, there are very few if any studies that document history of testicular cancer in wild dogs, as if there were, they would not likely be wild. Pack order does dictate who breeds, and to whom in some cases, and sick dogs are not typically allowed by the alpha male to reproduce, sometimes even shunned from the pack.
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Midas the Golden Child
6 kitties, and a few other critters

Purball Mar 31, 2004 10:14 AM

Hmmmm, I was wondering that right after I posted my message... thanks for clarifying...

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Sara,
Owned by...
Macintosh

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