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I was wondering if anyone knows where I could find a Jug Puppy? (Jack Russell x Pug) I live in NY and am willing to drive to get one. Thanks, Nikki

there is no such thing that is a mutt go to your local shelter an adopt a dog. If anyone is breeding such a thing they are what is know as a BYB, or back yard breeder. Read up on ethical breeding and byb's before you even consider buying an animal.

Also please check out petfinder.com there are litterally millions of animals in shelters an estimated 8 million were put to sleep last year alone through no fault of their own other than not having a home. There is no reason to breed mutts when shelters are overflowing with them.

www.cfgdr.org/breederquestions.htm

members.petfinder.org/~CA20/TC_HOMEPAGE/NO_BYB.HTM
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Alicia, who is so glad to have a husband Chris, Avari (my Shiba Inu), Muzie gato (big kitty), Mr Grobbles (ferral kitty) 2 firebelly frogs and a newt

There is such thing as these puppies!
I don't want one my friend wanted one
and I was helping her find one. There
is a new fad out called pedigree muts.
There are a variety of species.
Labadooles (Lab Poodle)
Jugs (jack Russell Pugs)
Bugs (Beagle Pug)
and the list goes on. They sell for the
same as regular pedigree puppy.
About $ 1,000.00.

Many breeders have heard of them and many pet stores sell them ! ! ! ! !

Did you read my post read BYB now say it out loud and do some research. You need to read up about puppymills back yard breeders, breeding and the ethics behind them.

You said it yourself a "fad" and designer mutts. These are mutts, if pay for one you are "getting duped". People can breed any 2 dogs together and give it a name this does not make it a breed. A breed is recognised and acknoledged by registies and breed clubs. There is no such thing as a jug it is a mixed breed not a breed unto itself.

Besides the fact that this is a mutt which can be found in a local shelter, most of these dogs will have health problems, will not be vet checked (because a breeder that would breed a mix on purpose is looking to make money not looking out for the bset interest of the pups), will not be OFA certified etc. Did you read any of the links I sent you? Please educate yourself and your friend on responisble breeding and the grossly enormous pet overpopulation epidemic before buying a "designer mutt".

More info on puppy mills and why NEVER EVER EVER to buy from a pet store
www.nopuppymills.com/
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Alicia, who is so glad to have a husband Chris, Avari (my Shiba Inu), Muzie gato (big kitty), Mr Grobbles (ferral kitty) 2 firebelly frogs and a newt

[url]http://mywebpages.comcast.net/NoPuppyMillsVA/Poo-dogs___Designer_Mutts/poo-dogs___designer_mutts.html[url]

read some excerpts here;
The sole purpose is to sell puppies to the unsuspecting and undereducated buyer. It is not uncommon to find outrageous price tags in the range of $1000 - $2000 on some designer mutts. Whether the puppy is from a mill or from a person just breeding them for the heck of it, there are many sad myths and misconceptions of these dogs. Some people state they are trying to create the "ideal dog for..." However, with over 400 recognized breeds woldwide, there is pretty much a breed for every activity. One argument Designer Mutt Breeders use is that they are breeding for companion dogs. Honestly, there are hundreds of breeds, common and rare, bred solely for companionship. Is there a need to breed more crosses basically just to make money? No. A good breeder of "companion" breeds will place their pet puppies with the same care and concern for health as the pups they intend to use for show and future breeding. Fewer "show" breeders are in this for the money. They are in breeding for the love and betterment of the breed in form, function and health. A good breeder is lucky to break even with breeding and may even lose money on a litter when all is said and done.

Let's get a few things cleared up before going to the "heavy stuff."

1) These are NOT breeds. No matter what anyone says, they are CROSSES, MUTTS, MONGRELS - whatever name you decide to call them. It take many, many generations of careful breeding to develop a strain that breeds true when bred to another of its type and then more work to prove it is a pure breeding type and may be able to be recognized by a legitimate registry as a breed. Every time you add in a new dog to the mix that is not of the strain you are trying to develop, you set back that breeding program and have to work out the undesired traits brought in while trying to maintain the desired traits established.. Simply, three, four or even five generations of breeding say a Sheltiepoo to other Sheltiepoos without bringing in any other pure Shelties or Poodles will NOT create a new breed. It may take decades of dedicated breeding to even get a strain to breed true to desired type.

2) They are NOT hypoallergenic. No dog is. There are many proteins associated with a dog that we can be allergic to. Yes, some dogs that shed less may cause fewer problems in some people, but if the allergy is severe enough, ANY dog will cause a reaction.

3) They are not noshed. All dogs loose hair to some extent. Some breeds like Poodles are lower shed than others. But with lower shedding comes other grooming issues as well.

4) There is NO SUCH THING AS HYBRID VIGOR IN DOGS. Dogs are all the same species and a crossbred is at no less risk of health issues than a purebred. Many health issues are found in many breeds. Hip Dysplasia, for example, is found in just about every breed of dog - large or small. In the OFA database is a Cockapoo listed with a hip rating of FAIR. This rating is on the LOW end of the acceptable ratings. Below is the text from the OFA database in regards to what a FAIR rating is:

"Fair (Figure 3): Assigned where minor irregularities in the hip joint exist. The hip joint is wider than a good hip phenotype. This is due to the ball slightly slipping out of the socket causing a minor degree of joint incongruency. There may also be slight inward deviation of the weight-bearing surface of the socket (dorsal acetabular rim) causing the socket to appear slightly shallow (Figure 4)." (from http://www.offa.org/hipgrade.html)

more;
The Latest Fad
If at least in some circles purebreds are not PC, what is? New books--best sellers in the pet trade books genre--call the mixed breed "The Great American Mutt." The mixed breed is becoming an American icon as popular as a Benjy dog. Of course mutts, like purebreds, certainly deserve love and attention. The latest pet trade trend goes well beyond praising a mutt.

The latest money-making trend is the promotion of mixed breeds with official-looking "registration papers" and catchy-sounding names. The "registrations" come from a burgeoning industry of registry services, each willing to issue documents at the drop of a few ten dollar bills. Best known of these is the US Kennel Club that advertises that they register "rare breeds, hybrids, even pet class." Other "clubs" have appeared that will produce official-looking "Championship" papers if you send them a photo or video of any dog.

British veterinarian Bruce Fogel's highly-praised and widely-available book about all breeds--"The Encyclopedia of the Dog" ( Dorling Kindersley Publishing, NY, NY, 1995) contains a section devoted to the "Random-Bred" dog. Various dogs are posed with Peterson Field Guide-like descriptive arrows denoting "Wiry beard gives look of dignity," and "Lop ears such as these are common in most European random-bred dogs" (p. 290-291). While this gives an air of planned legitimacy to unplanned puppies, the book's section on "Domestic Dogs" goes even farther. Here, Fogel presents various recently created hybrids like the "Labradoodle" (Labrador-Poodle mix 1989), the "Cockerpoo" (USA mix, 1960s), the "Bull Boxer" (Boxer-Pit Bull, 1990s), the "Bichon/Yorkie" (1980s). These cross-breds are featured in the same way, and adjacent to, recognized rare breeds and other purebreds like the Dalmation and the Poodle. In Fogel's book, the latest Labradoodle and the ancient Pug are cut from the same purebred cloth. The combinations of hybrids that are possible become enormous. Any of hundreds of purebred dogs could be bred with another creating, say, a "Coton Coonhound" or maybe a "Beagle Borzoi" which in turn could make a "Cotcooneaglezoi," etc., etc.

Designer Mutts
The legitimization of "purebred mutts" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) reached new heights with the advent of a new trademarked and "patent pending" "ra re purebred" called the "Toy Munchkin." Its breed description omits both a history (where did this dog come from?) and an adequate description of biological characteristics. The price of these new designer doggies? As much as $6,500 each.

This public acceptance of "non-traditional" non-breeds has not gone unnoticed by the pet exploitation business. New "puppy shops," some superstore-sized, are appearing in discount outlets and malls throughout America. So, our curiosity was piqued when we saw hybr id pups with papers at a pet shop in a mall near us. They sat in their tiny, darkened, blue-green fiberglass cages, staring soulfully out at shoppers. One pup per cage. Emblazoned above each one: a card touting their "breed," their "Continental Kennel Club" Registration, their price, and "their veterinarian's name." Housed next to them, were supposedly purebred AKC dogs, with AKC papers.

The Economics of Bastardization
Our investigation of the trade in crossbred puppies at our local mall pet shop revealed that the profits in selling designer mutts can be enormous. Hybrid dogs offered for sale at this pet shop range in price from $145 to $399.99. The AKC registered purebreds on sale next to the crossbreds, brought $399.99 to $499.99--all pups were offered at allegedly huge discounts.

And lastly another great article

You've most likely seen these impostors. They are in adds in the paper, in pet stores, and in homes around the country. They are advertised as "one of a kind", "a brand new breed", even "rare and exotic." Curious? Who wouldn't be? Almost everyone wants something different, unusual, something new and exciting, something no one else has.

Meet the new "designer" mixed breeds; Yorki-poos, Peke-a-poos, Terri-poos, Rott-a-dor, and labradoodles, just to name a few. It is the new scam in the dog world. New breeds? Hardly. Yorkie-poos are simply yorkshire terrier and poodle crosses. Behind the hype and the clever name is a common mutt. And belive it or not there are people purposely breeding mixed breeds to turn around and sell them for as much or more than a purebred.

Unsuspecting people will believe the lies that these breeders say. These "one of a kind" dogs are no more "rare and exotic" than any other mutt and mixed breed in the shelters today. They are simply mixed breed dogs, that people made up fancy names for. Naming these dogs is simply a way to sell puppy-mill dogs and backyard accidents for an inflated price by duping the uneducated buyer into believing he is acquiring a purebred dog. You may find a truly "unusual" designer mutt, such as a "Box-a-Shiht" (Boxer/Shih Tzu) or "Bull-Shiht" (Bulldog/Shih Tsu)

Sure they make great pets, as all mutts do, but purposely breeding more mixed breeds is just irresponsible. Why are the breeders breeding these mixed breeds? Well, some are doing out of love for the mix, but these people are uneducated as to the effect that their breeding will have on the pet overpopulation issue. Most of the breeders are doing it for the money involved. The latest money-making trend is the promotion of mixed breeds with official-looking "registration papers" and catchy-sounding names. The "registrations" come from a burgeoning industry of registry services, each willing to issue documents at the drop of a few ten dollar bills.

How do these breeders survive? Well most people don’t do thier homework before buying a dog. They walk into a pet store and see a puppy with a cute face and a fancy name. There is also a lot of lying going on with these breeds. Here are a couple of the lies and the real truth behind them.

“We're making a new breed.
Unsuspecting people will believe the lies that these breeders say. These "one of a kind" dogs are no more "rare and exotic" than any other mutt and mixed breed in the shelters today. They are simply mixed breed dogs, that people made up fancy names for. Naming these dogs is simply a way to sell puppy-mill dogs and backyard accidents for an inflated price by duping the uneducated buyer into believing he is acquiring a purebred dog.

The process of creating a new breed and achieving AKC recognition is long and involved, requiring many years and many generations. A “breed” is a genetically similar strain of dogs that resemble each other in appearance and temperament.Bred together, two dogs of the same breed will produce puppies that are also similar in appearance to the parents and will develop in a predictable fashion. The first step is to set a standard as to what the breed will look. For example, what characteristics must a Yorkie-Poo have in order for it to be considered a Yorkie-Poo? What is a Cocker-Chon or a Peke-A-Pom supposed to look and act like? Only the Cockapoo has taken this first step. All other of these “new” breeds haven’t taken that first step. These dogs can look like a purebred of one side or another or anywhere in-between. They can have either breeds temperement and that includes good or bad points! There has not been any serious effort at all to create a distinct breed that the AKC would recognize.

Responsible breeders of purebred dogs, breed their dogs to try to combine the best temperaments and physical traits for that breed. People have long-admired and desired a pure bred dog because a buyer has a good reason to expect that the puppy they choose will resemble its parents and that it comes complete with both a historic lineage (a pedigree) and a breed history (where it came from; what its originators had hoped the creature to be; what the breed had accomplished)

· “We're combining the best of both breeds into one! If we cross one breed with the poodle, we can get a non shedding dog!
Not exactly. Genetics doesn't work that way. A breeder can't pick and choose what features will be passed on from each breed. It's strictly a matter of luck because the genetic combinations involved in the crossing of breeds is random and unpredictable. There is just as much of a chance that the puppy will grow up to have the worst characteristics of both breeds! To achieve the best combinations in every dog there has to be centuries of breeding behind that dog.

· “These Beag-A-Poos are registered with the 'Dogs International Kennel Club'.”
The word “registered” has a magical effect on people. They seem to think something that's “registered” must be legitimate and valuable. Not so! Registered simply means recorded. Somewhere someone has the dogs name and date of birth written down. Registered certainly doesn’t mean healthy, or valuable (every dog is priceless to its owner). There are many canine registries in business today that will register any kind of dog whether it's purebred, mixed breed or even of unknown origin.. Best known of the is the US Kennel Club that advertises that they register "rare breeds, hybrids, even pet class." Other "clubs" have appeared that will produce official-looking "Championship" papers if you send them a photo or video of any dog.

Any registration can often cause the price of a mutt to skyrocket, when the paper it's printed on may only be worth using for housebreaking. Puppy buyers are sometimes fooled into paying pay hundreds ofdollars for a "registered" mutt. Being a registered mutt does not make a dog any different from a similar one sitting in a shelter, and it certainly does not turn a mutt into a purebred. Basically being able to call these dogs registered gets the breeder, pet store or puppy mill more money.

· “The price is so high because they're one of a kind.”
One of a kind, sure they are, just like every other dog sitting in shelters. Every mixed breed dog, whether bred deliberately or by accident, is one of a kind because these is no breed description as to what it should look like. No two are alike. Why should the breeders receive hundreds of dollars while millions of mixed breeds are euthanized everyday in shelters. No way. If “one of a kind” made a dog valuable, every mixed breed dog at the pound would be worth a fortune!

· “We have been responsible breeders of Bass-A-Poos for four years.”
What is responsible about breeding dogs not knowing what the puppies will be like. Or worse yet doing it solely for profit knowing that dogs, just like the ones that they are breeding, are being euthanized . Almost every breeder claims to be “responsible.” How trustworthy is a breeder who deliberately misleads people about the value of a mutt? I think you can answer that question for yourself. Truly responsible breeders are honest and knowledgeable with a strict code of personal ethics. They care about the puppies they produce and the people who'll buy them. They would never let their puppies be sold in a pet store, and will always take their dogs back if there is any trouble at anytime during the dogs life. Would a responsible breeder deliberately cross dogs with completely different and potentially incompatible physical structures and temperaments? Would they deliberately mix any breeds? No, not when they know the results will be completely unpredictable and that there are already thousands of accidentally bred mixed breed dogs in need of good homes.

Does this mean that all producer of mixes are unscrupulous and deceitful? No, many of them are simply ignorant of responsible breeding practices and unaware of what they're really doing. Both the deceitful and the ignorant, though, prey on the ignorance of the public. Once people know the truth about these breeders and pets, people will start adopting instead of buying and the breeders will stop breeding. It is simple supply and demand.

There's no doubt that mixed can make wonderful pets. Thousands of people own and love mixed breed dogs of every description. But are these unusual mixes really valuable, unique, “designer dogs”? No, not any more so than the many wonderful mixed breeds available for adoption at the local animal shelter.

Don't be fooled by the cute names, “one of a kind” titles, and the high prices! You can find “designer dogs” of every size, shape, color and personality as close as your local humane society or rescue service and at a far more reasonable cost. Why not go there first and save a life? You'll be glad you did!

Designer Mixed Breeds

Here are some cocker spaniel mix puppies in a shelter. They have a week to find a home or they will be KILLED.

Why purposely breed cute puppies when some are already going to die because they can't find homes.
Mixed-up-Mutts is a site deticated to responsible pet care. Although I believe mixed breeds are the best pets out there, I do not believe that they should be purposely bred. This is the page that demonstrates the reasons why breeding mixed breeds is irresponsible.

Why don't you look at some pictures of puppy mills so you can really understand what is going on here

www.kimtownsend.com/imagesearch.htm
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Alicia, who is so glad to have a husband Chris, Avari (my Shiba Inu), Muzie gato (big kitty), Mr Grobbles (ferral kitty) 2 firebelly frogs and a newt

One you might have forgotten (if I didn't miss it) is this one www.itsmeowornever.org/homeless.html

I think that Lisha has given you a wealth of information. If not for the dog's sake, then for your own credibility, don't buy these MIXED BREED dogs for the insane price that is even higher than that of most champion purebred dogs! Go to a shelter and save a life. You will more than likely find a dog that is a same or similar mix for a FRACTION of the price that your friend is being charged. ANOTHER THING: You will save the life of a dog that will potentially be put to sleep. WHY?!!! because people fall into the STUPID craze of these "designer mutts." Because their only crime is being HOMELESS. because people are IGNORANT to the MASS KILLING of dogs and cats every year in shelters. because people do not work to REDUCE the population, but CONTRIBUTE to the problem by not spaying and neutering their pets that shouldn't be bred in the first place (no titles, no health checks).

MORE OFTEN THAN NOT the dogs that are KILLED in these shelters are perfectly healthy, intellignt, and eligible pets. They wag their tails as the shelter workers take them out of the kennels and down the "green mile" to the room where they will be euthanized. WHY?! because they show an incredible LOVE and JOY for just being with people and being shown some attention. THESE DOGS NEED OUR HELP!

STOP supporting these backyard breeders. Put them OUT OF BUSINESS by either buying a dog from a REPUTABLE breeder or ADOPTING a dog from a shelter.

SAVE A LIFE, don't contribute to the problem that KILLS millions of dogs each year!
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Lesya & Sophie

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Thanks to Pattie Lawler
http://www.behaviour-problems.freeserve.co.uk/2/Poems/dogownerpray.htm

I just want to echo every sentiment from Lisha and Aysel. What a sad sad world we live in that so called "breeders" will put animals literally through hell to make a buck. As sad world indeed.
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My crew includes Shiba, my Shiba Inu; Aurora, Seneca, Murtle, Rainbow, Sunshine, and Raindrop the Leopard Geckos and José the Rosy Boa.

*Any breed recognized by the registries comes with a long heritage and a history of it's origons.
*Designer Mutts have no history. Their origins are some idiots basement/backyard/living room.
*Purebreds were created for a REASON. They were hunters/workers/guarddogs, etc.
*Designer Mutts are intentionally created frankenstien experaments - lets put this one with this one and this one with this one and see what they look like. If it's cute, we'll call it a "Labradoodle" or something cute like that and put it on the news and bilk the public and make LOADS of cash off of morons who think this is a new breed!
*Purebreds have been honed and perfected over decades to ensure quality traits.
*Designer mutts were made yesterday and there's no research or information whatsover regarding health risks to the animal, gene deformities, lifespan, proper diet, temperment... There's nothing known about them because THEY ARE NOT A BREED!
*Purebreds are registered at registries like the AKC to PROVE that that particular animal is a purebred.
*Designer Mutts have NO registry because THEY ARE NOT A BREED!

Now, if you doubt that. Or if anyone else out there thinks Labpeis and Labradoodles are the latest trendiest hippest thing around, I suggest you contact the AKC and ask for the traits of this breed. They will tell you that it's NOT a breed. So go and get yourself some newfangled designer jeans and stop off at the local shelter and get yourself a dog that really needs a home.

Sorry for the little rant-
But with all the crap about the AKC and breeding ordanances out there, I'm becoming concerned that REAL breeds out there will start to die out -or go out of fashion! CRIPES!

DestanyF