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New puppy and marking issues....Help!!!

nette Nov 09, 2004 12:28 PM

Ok, I currently own an F2 male. He's one and a half years old. We reciently got a high content female pup, 7 weeks old. Now my male is marking everything and everywhere she goes. It's bad enough that the pup is having a hard time potting training...much harder than my male, but now he's peeing on everything. And no matter what I do, he won't stop. I'm about ready to find the pup another home because of it. Does anyone have any idea on how to stop this behavior?

Replies (9)

KDiamondDavis Nov 09, 2004 04:15 PM

>>Ok, I currently own an F2 male. He's one and a half years old. We reciently got a high content female pup, 7 weeks old. Now my male is marking everything and everywhere she goes. It's bad enough that the pup is having a hard time potting training...much harder than my male, but now he's peeing on everything. And no matter what I do, he won't stop. I'm about ready to find the pup another home because of it. Does anyone have any idea on how to stop this behavior?

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Since these are not dogs, I really don't feel qualified to tell you how to stop the behavior. One thing I do suspect, though, is that even if you give up the puppy, the male may continue to mark now that he has started. In a dog it would help to neuter him, but that may not be the case with the wolf genetics involved.
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Kathy Diamond Davis, author, "Therapy Dogs: Training Your Dog to Reach Others," 2nd edition, and the free Canine Behavior Series at www.veterinaryforum.com

Cottonwoods Nov 09, 2004 10:14 PM

You might look into neutering him.

You wrote, "We reciently got a high content female pup, 7 weeks old."

I am curious what you were told about the content of your puppy. F#, percentage.

Most high contents (even my F2's) only breed seasonally and pups aren't born until Spring.
http://www.geocities.com/cttnwds/information/buyerbeware.htm

Nette Nov 10, 2004 10:22 AM

Well, I'll tell what I was told, then I'll tell what I believe! I was shown documentatin claiming that the sire was an F1. I was also shown that the dame was an F1.
What I believe after seeing both of the parents is that the father is an F1. I have no dout after seeing him, and watching him for some time that he is at least 50% wolf. The dame on the other hand had NO traits that could recognize as being wolf. There for I believe what I actually have with this pup is a low content.
The breeder I got her from claimed that the dame was Artic Wolf. Of which I know nothing about. I will say, that this female pup acts nothing like my male did at that age. She has no fear of people and tends to be very social. Which was not the case with my male dog. He only likes his pack.(Our family) and that's about it. Although through much effort on our part, I am able to take him into the pet store for VERY short pirodes of time.
So, that you know, other than the female pup has been near impossible to potty train, she's not the one I'm having the problems with. It's my male wolfdog. He won't leave her alone. He's tearing the siding of the house during the day trying to get back inside to her. And he's marking everything in his wake. I'm about ready to get rid of this pup.

Cottonwoods Nov 10, 2004 03:49 PM

Hi,
I will just give you some information and you can do with it what you choose....
#1 Would be that the only recognized Wolfdog registries are Lupine Awareness, USAWA, Iowolfers (which I don’t think is actively registering anymore), NWHA (Which is no longer operating) and I think that is it. Continental Kennel Club and Universal Kennel Club are not accepted forms of registration. (By the registries above or knowledgeable Wolfdog persons)
#2 When breeding a pure wolf to a pure dog; The male dog will of course be able to produce puppies at any time of year. The female, her heat can happen during any month of the year. A pure wolf, generally, a male will only be fertile as breeding season nears – breeding season for a female is sometimes January, frequently February, and (Arctic) March. So if either of your puppies parents bred before the age of two, or were not born in Springtime, It would raise questions of if they were in fact F1’s.
Now, to go further on your puppies, I would need to know the percentage represented. Because an F1 50/50 can look very doggy (see wolfparks page)
An F1 or even F2 high content should follow the same rules as a pure.
#3 Arctic’s are not born white, a lot of breeders produce doggy looking litters with white puppies and claim them to be Arctic’s.
#4 puppies should be very social and this would not be an indication of content.
#5 Is your male left alone? He may just be seeking the companionship of the puppy. Is he friendly with her? Wolfdogs can be destructive if left alone. (don’t just put the female outside, she needs to be with you for socialization)
#6 Where is your breeder? Your breeder should be making her/him self available for any problems you might have. My intent is not to seem mean, but when bringing a new puppy into your home things don’t always go picture perfect, and this is something you should have known before bringing this little one into your life. Don’t give up so easily, and make your breeder take some kind of responsibility.
Hope this helps.
Cottonwoods

Cottonwoods Nov 10, 2004 03:56 PM

"So if either of your puppies parents bred before the age of two, or were not born in Springtime, It would raise questions of if they were in fact F1’s. "

What I mean to say is if the parents were F1, then the wolf in the mix generally would not have bred before the age of around 22 months. And they (the parents) would have been born in Spring.

Nette Nov 10, 2004 04:49 PM

My male, Nanook, was born March 6th, 2003. This female was born at the end of Aug. this year. Which is another reason I don't believe her content.
My male is very social with the family. He doesn't care for strangers much. Prefers to hide behind me or dad. But will slowly get to the point of sneaking a sniff as long as the stranger isn't looking at him. He is not aggressive with the pup. Although, he does tend to get a bit rough with her, and we have to break up the play time. And I do agree with you, all he really wants is to be with her. But like I said, he gets to rough. Therefore I'm not able, or willing, to leave her alone with him.
Me and my husband both work. So we are gone much of the day during the week. My oldest daughter get home about 2pm. At that point both dogs are brought together again. (They are never left alone together) We also try to pay equal,if not more, attention to my male dog so that he doesn't feel jelouse. So far, no good.

Stormkloud Nov 10, 2004 07:20 PM

Nette, please send me an email privately. I know a great group of people who have over 25 years of wolfdog experience who can help you with your questions. That goes for anyone else who is in need of help, or a newbie who has any questions about wolfdogs.

My email is CLArctos@msn.com

You do need some help with your problem. Cottonwoods is one of the ones Im talking who is giving you some good advise.

Stormy
In The Company of Wolves

luvswolves Nov 15, 2004 08:10 AM

Cottonwood has give you very good information.

On top of what Bob A said below, I also know of a great number of folks who have had many years experience with woldogs of all contents and f factors.....

feel free to email me privately as well.

Neuter your male if you havn't, please.

and spay the female.

wolfdog rescue is overflowing like ditch in a rain storm...
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KenC
*SPCA Point of Contact for Stafford and Spotsilvania County VA - wolfdog rescue
*WD rescue assistance to Full Moon Farm Rescue, Blackmountain, NC.
*Defenders of Wildlife

*President: Wolfdog Rescue Resources (WRR)
http://www.renokeo.com/wrr.html

*Keona's (my wolfdog) site: http://www.renokeo.com/keona.html

luvswolves Nov 18, 2004 08:54 AM

I ment "Stormy"...not "BobA".......sorry folks....
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KenC
*SPCA Point of Contact for Stafford and Spotsilvania County VA - wolfdog rescue
*WD rescue assistance to Full Moon Farm Rescue, Blackmountain, NC.
*Defenders of Wildlife

*President: Wolfdog Rescue Resources (WRR)
http://www.renokeo.com/wrr.html

*Keona's (my wolfdog) site: http://www.renokeo.com/keona.html

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