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Multiple dog owners, help!

teenagebambam Jun 13, 2005 02:16 PM

...and please be indulgent with a first-time multiple dog owner.

Original dog is a sweet, passive Corgi-lab mix, female, about a year and a half old. We've had her since she was about eight months.

New dog is a beagle (vet says pure-bred), male, very rambunctious of course, about eight months old. We've had him going on 3 weeks.

Both were SPCA rescues that came to us from multi-dog foster homes.

The female seems to be dominant, for the most part...she flips the puppy when she chooses to engage in play-fighting, to the point of mounting him on occassion. She was never a big one for playing, and usually freaks out (i.e. cowers on the ground) at the dog park, so we were glad to see her exert her will a little bit.

However...the puppy also has some dominant behaviors - hoarding the toys, occassionally mounting the female, constant nipping and mouthing....and the female doesn't generally seem interested in fighting back, only in looking at us pleadingly.

At first, we tried to reinforce what we perceived as the female's dominant pack position - for instance, she has always slept on the bed, so she's still there, the puppy came to us crate trained so he goes in the crate at night. She still gets walks by herself on her usual schedule, she gets fed and greeted first, that sort of thing. But by sticking so rigidly to her routine, are we subverting the natural order of things?

Or is the puppy just being a puppy?

Also - you might imagine that a beagle puppy hears the word "no" quite a bit, a word the female heard rarely if ever before the puppy came, so now we worry that she thinks we're disciplining HER, only because she's always around when we're disciplining the puppy. Will we give her a complex of some sort?

You can tell, perhaps, that we were incredibly spoiled by our first rescue, and now find ourselves a little unprepared for what to do next. Any advice welcome!

Replies (2)

KDiamondDavis Jun 13, 2005 07:21 PM

>>...and please be indulgent with a first-time multiple dog owner.
>>
>>Original dog is a sweet, passive Corgi-lab mix, female, about a year and a half old. We've had her since she was about eight months.
>>
>>New dog is a beagle (vet says pure-bred), male, very rambunctious of course, about eight months old. We've had him going on 3 weeks.
>>
>>Both were SPCA rescues that came to us from multi-dog foster homes.
>>
>>The female seems to be dominant, for the most part...she flips the puppy when she chooses to engage in play-fighting, to the point of mounting him on occassion. She was never a big one for playing, and usually freaks out (i.e. cowers on the ground) at the dog park, so we were glad to see her exert her will a little bit.
>>
>>However...the puppy also has some dominant behaviors - hoarding the toys, occassionally mounting the female, constant nipping and mouthing....and the female doesn't generally seem interested in fighting back, only in looking at us pleadingly.
>>
>>At first, we tried to reinforce what we perceived as the female's dominant pack position - for instance, she has always slept on the bed, so she's still there, the puppy came to us crate trained so he goes in the crate at night. She still gets walks by herself on her usual schedule, she gets fed and greeted first, that sort of thing. But by sticking so rigidly to her routine, are we subverting the natural order of things?
>>
>>Or is the puppy just being a puppy?
>>
>>Also - you might imagine that a beagle puppy hears the word "no" quite a bit, a word the female heard rarely if ever before the puppy came, so now we worry that she thinks we're disciplining HER, only because she's always around when we're disciplining the puppy. Will we give her a complex of some sort?
>>
>>You can tell, perhaps, that we were incredibly spoiled by our first rescue, and now find ourselves a little unprepared for what to do next. Any advice welcome!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The natural order is for him to be top male and her top female--it's not a total dominance situation when you have one male and one female. It's really the ideal pairing to be happy together.

Use names when you give instructions to the dogs. That way they know which you are talking to. Teach them specific words for behaviors, rather than just "no." Teach them what TO do, so that you're able to emphasize the correct action, not dwell on the dog's mistake.

Continue the individual attention for each dog away from the other dog and as often as possible away from the house. They need this. Make it equal and it will not disturb their relationship.
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Kathy Diamond Davis, author, "Therapy Dogs: Training Your Dog to Reach Others," 2nd edition, and the free Canine Behavior Series at www.veterinaryforum.com

Chelle Jun 14, 2005 02:40 PM

I also suggest taking the new dog to obedience classes alone and get some communication started with him.

There's a book titled "Feeling Outnumbered" that might help you as well that goes into multiple dog houeholds.

Any book by Dr. Ian Dunbar will also show you how to go about giving both dogs "directional commands" instead of just a blanket "no" to stop a behavior you don't like.

Personally, I have two different "negative word markers" for my dogs- each had their own specific word for marking good behaviors as well as "try again" cues. I have a generic "good dog" for both dogs as well, but not a generic "no." My reason is it's too easy just to say "no" and not do anything about a behavior you don't like. I prefer to make my communication with my dogs very clear and try not to spout commands that mean little. If I'm inclined to give a negative marker, I need to be able to use it appropriately and not deminish it's effect by saying it too often.
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Chelle and the rest of the crew including, but not limited to Kita and Taiko (the shiba inu wrestle maniacs), Adi (reserved and dignified tabby cat), and all 28 reptiles

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