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i have a red and rust 8 month old 75 lbs. male and im looking to get a female doberman and breed them. when would be the best age to breed them and also im looking for more than just red and rust pups. if i get a fawn or blue female doberman will they produce different color pups that still have that beautiful doberman characteristic?

The best time to breed ANY dog is after you've taken a few years to learn what you're doing! Breeding isn't a "starter" activity-you haven't been involved in this breed long enough to even call yourself a good, long term owner. How could you possibly be a source of support for your puppy buyers when you haven't had exposure to living and training more than one doberman over a period of years?

Not every dog should be bred-when millions of dogs are being put down every year due to lack of homes, it only makes sense to use those FEW dogs who can make a positive contribution. This means they're proven to have superior structure, be fully health tested and have a correct doberman temperament. As the breeder, you'd better make sure you're willing and able to take back any puppies you produce for their entire lifespan.

Doberman color genetics are quite simple..if you don't even know that, it's guaranteed you need to do a LOT more learning before you should even think about breeding dobermans.

first of all, i didnt ask for your permission to breed my own dog. second of all, dont assume that i have never had a doberman before. i had a black and tan doberman for 3 years before i had to give him to one of my family members because i had to move away for college,and we still have that dobe, he is 7 now. and third and final my family use to breed yorkies so i know a thing or 2 on how to take care of puppies. i just didnt know the best age for this particular breed to start breeding. if you know anything about breeding, you should know that breeding ages vary among breeds. Sounds like your a very ignorant person for assuming things about people you dont even know. i would appreciate someone elses opinion about my question, someone whose not going to judge or make comments that shouldnt be made. thanks

The person you just slammed has bred top 20 Dobermans. Ignorent people like you are the reason that few experienced Doberman people are willing to help out people new to the breed.

I would suggest taking your hopeful "stud" dog to some AKC dog shows and have him looked at by experienced Doberman breeders to even see if he has correct structure. Then spend about $1000 on health tests to see if he is medically sound. Some of these tests cannot be done until he is 2 years old.

If you don't know the answers to some basic questions like what health tests should be done on a Doberman, then you have no business even thinking about breeding one and adding to the BYB population. Doberman rescue is full of dogs like that.

I'm glad you like your dog, but get an education first before asking questions that will get you answers you don't like. We all started somewhere, but it should never be breeding.

Again im not trying to be an ass, but you two do not understand that i know a hell of alot about breeding. it may not be from this breed, but my family breed yorkies for about 15 years and i did most of the work and taking care of them. im just trying to get back into breeding with this breed. i love my dog and he is from a long line of championship bloodlines. all i asked was did "anyone" know a good age to start breeding dobermans because i only knew about the other breed i worked with. And i wanted to know about coloring of the dogs. THAT IS IT! And you two have to be smart asses and tell me i dont know anything about breeding and it is insulting, just as if someone told you, you dont know anything about something you had many years experiance in. It would insult the both of you too. Maybe you should get to know someone or maybe ask questions before you just go ahead and assume something about someone. i was not being hateful, i just asked a question and this is the second comment that has been posted that is no help and just criticizes me. i would appreciate it if only people that wanted to help out with my question would reply. not hateful people trying to insult me. thanks

When you ask VERY basic questions on an internet forum, insult the people who respond, then defend your plans to breed a young non-champion dog, that apparently has not been health tested, then I say: go find your answers somewhere else.

Those of us who have been around for awhile, see people who want to breed their dogs all the time. You truthfully don't sound any different than them ... and I don't care if your family has been breeding Yorkies for 100 years - it does not mean you should breed your Doberman. Go get an educaton about the breed.

Get some books, go to shows, learn about the breed THEN see if your dog is even breed quality. Just because he has Champions in his pedigree does not mean he needs to be bred. What does his breeder think?? Was he sold to you on a full AKC registration?

There is so much more to breeding than knowing what age to begin. No one is being hateful. They are just pointing out that if you don't understand something as simple as colour genetics in the breed where colour genetics are simple and readily accessible, you are not ready to be breeding.

To answer your question about age, some of the health tests recommended for Dobermans can not be done until the dog turns 2. For that reason, many responsible Doberman breeders do not breed dogs until after that time and after the appropriate tests are done. And then there are a number of Doberman breeders that do not breed their dogs until they are 4 or so because this is a breed that has a number of problems that take dogs early (like dilated cardiomyopathy and cancer, not that they can't strike at a late onset as well) and they prefer to give the dogs a little more time for a problem to occur and remove them from the gene pool as necessary. Additionally, I find that many Dobermans are not mentally fully mature until 3 or 4 years of age and males often do not fully mature physically until 3 or so. If you want to be relatively sure of what you're capable of producing, it would be a good idea to wait until the dogs you're breeding are fully mature - physically and mentally.

It is a breed where there should be no hurry to breed if you intend to breed well.

The good news is that it certainly gives one a lot of time to qualify their breeding plans through conformation evaluations, health evaluations, temperament evaluations and pedigree research.

Additionally, it might be worth pointing out that most responsible breeders in this breed are aware that blue and fawn Dobermans suffer from a lot of skin problems and most actively try to avoid producing blue and fawn puppies completely.

Some researchers point out that up to 75% of fawns and 90% of blue Dobermans are bald. So why go there? You're sentencing the dog and the potential owner to problems, to costly shampoos and treatments, special skin care regimens, medications, etc.

im not trying to breed a damn championship dog to be in shows. im breeding them for people who want a good companion. and my dog is a great one. i WILL breed him and sell the puppies to familys that seem fit to own a doberman. i WILL breed the color i see fit and anything else i want to do, I WILL DO IT. PERIOD. im not putting any dogs in a shelter, im a great care giver and will do whatever it takes to raise the puppies. im tired of arguing about this, its rediculous. i was just asking peoples opionions about the only 2 questions i asked. its not like im going to take advice without checking it out first. i did go to a major college for 4 years. so im not the dumbest guy in the world like you think. just DROP THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION OR "ARGUMENT" ITS COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS!

Well, I'm sure we're all really surprised.

Not.

yep! Another back yard greeder in the works - no big surpise there. Far be it for someone who went to a big college for 4 years (ummm so did I about 20 years ago), actually try to educate themselves before jumping into breeding. Sigh.....

Please, you must start using better language on this forum. We do not tolerate that kind of language and i may have ot pull your posts if you keep it up.
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MaryK, I am not sure of the comment that you made that 90% of all blues are bald! Just not sure.. I have a Blue girl, when we got her a few months ago, her hair was quite thin.but also was she.. 45lbs when she should have be 60 to 70lbs.. She had whipworms.. after she was treated for the worms and started to get some GOOD food and vitamins she has a beautiful full coat.. My friend has a fawn and a blue girls and their coats are great also.. Several of the other forums that I am on for Dobermans, a few have fawn or blue and none of them are bald..I am not saying that blue or fawn do not have skin or hair loss problems but I think your figures might be wrong.. i would love to hear more on the subject.. and where you saw the information so I can read up on it also.. Please inform.. As to the person who wants to bred.. Yes Dobermans can have a lot of health problems and testing is VERY Very Important!! Please before you make a final decision to bred.. Read Read and more Read on the breed and talk to lots of AKC doberman people first..

The article was in Doberman Digest. Without looking, I think it was the first issue I got - Oct 99, although I'm not positive. The article was written by Dr. McLaughlin, I believe, who freqently writes Doberman health columns for the magazine and who used to run the Doberman Pinscher Foundation of America (health foundation).

The guy is a PERFECT example of why breeding needs to be regulated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello,

This is just a reminder to remember to play nice on the forum. Advice and opinions on the topic at hand are always welcome and appreciated but as stated in the Terms of Service comments should not be made that start to become personal in nature. Thank you for your consideration.
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How do you play nice with someone like this?? I try, truly I do! I've seen too many Dobermans in rescue to ever condone what this guy is planning on doing. I think it is important to try to educate people on why they should not breed poopsie and rover just because they happen to have a uterus and a penis and all their friends want one of their puppies.... until they actually are there of course.... then what the heck do you do with them? Dump them at the shelter, in the street, or sell them to anyone who can come up with a couple hundrend dollare .... no matter how unqualifed they are? I've fostered puppies like this that were bred by people who just wanted some extra cash and thought that breeding a couple of dogs would be great! I hate what happens to puppies like that and no way am I playing nice with the people who produce them, or plan on producing them. The world of back yard bred dogs can be really ugly and I won't candy coat it for anyone.

You can see pictures of my two fosters on my website and decide for yourself - one just died of a disease that devistated her body and her adoptive families heart & wallet - it should never have happened, and most likely would not have if some yahoo was not looking to make a few bucks on breeding his two pet Dobermans. The other is now doing great after being starved to the brink of death by someone who apparently had enough cash to walk off with a puppy from a breeder who was only interested in the color of their money and not the quality of the home they would provide.

http://fitzmardobermans.freeservers.com/