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Does anyone else have a longhaired rotti. I adopted a dog from someone on petfinder.com two years ago. I was told that she was a longhaired rotti and that it was from a ressesive gene. I have papers for her and both parents were rotti. Others have told me that they have heard of them but breeds tell me that they don't exist. You can definatly tell that she has rotti in her but I must say that her head does look more lab. Any thoughts???

Cindy

Well longhaired Rotti's do exist and are nothing more than a fault in the breeders breeding program. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the dog... it's just not a part of the standard. Here is link with a picture of a longhaired Rotti.
[urlhttp://www.rottsacrosstexas.com/rarerotts.html[/url]
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www.rottsacrosstexas.com/rarerotts.html

>>Well longhaired Rotti's do exist and are nothing more than a fault in the breeders breeding program. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the dog... it's just not a part of the standard. Here is link with a picture of a longhaired Rotti.
>>[urlhttp://www.rottsacrosstexas.com/rarerotts.html[/url]
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>>If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.

Thanks so much for the link. It is good to know that I wasn't just given a line and I can honestly say that she is a longhair rotti. One thing I don't get and don't agree with that the article said was....If someone breeds a longhair rotti for the purpose of having more longhairs that they are unethicle. Why would that be? I mean it isn't something that is going to hurt the offspring. It is purly a matter of looks. Granted they wouldn't be show quality but so what. They are beautiful. I get comments on a daily basis on how beautiful my dog is. How would breeding that be unethical?? Any thoughts?

First I have to agree with you. The picture of the longhaired Rottie shows a good looking dog. You'll have to post a picture of yours.
As for being unethical, in a perfect world the true reason for breeding a line of dogs would be to better the standard of that breed to produce a more perfect dog. Since the longhaired version of the Rottie is considered a fault due to a recessive gene a reputable breeder would most likely not breed those two dogs again and have the puppy altered. It's much the same with my breed the Shiba Inu. A cream Shiba is considered to be a fault in the breeding line... it doesn't matter if the dog turns out to be the best in the litter or not. Now there are people out there called backyard breeders who may call themselves breeders but are only interested in making money and not the betterment of the breed. If there is a market for longhaired Rotties where people will pay good money to have one... this is where being unethical plays it's hand because only money is the issue and the not the health and temperment of the dogs in question.
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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.

I understand what you are saying but , money aside, if the health and temperment are not affected by them having long hair and the person breeding them is only doing it because they are a beautiful dog; I don't see where ethics should come into it. That being said, the person I got her from wasn't charging money for her other than $100 adoption fee to help with what she spent for spaying,tatooing and vacs. Which didn't even come close to what she paid. And the dog wasn't even her's she fostered it for a friend to keep her out of the pound. I wish I could post a picture of Maggie. She looks much like the one on the website. I think it is a shame there aren't more of them out there. She is a great dog with a wonderful temperment. Thanks so much for all your imput and information.

Posting pictures is very easy here. All you need to do is have them in a folder on your hard drive. You have access to a free 10mb photo account here at the DogHobbyist. The link to the Photo Gallery is near the top of the page... just click and register. Here are some instructions I use for posting on the Shiba Inu forum. Just substitute Rottweiler where I have Shiba Inu.

At the top of the page, Click on Photo Gallery
Scroll down to Shiba Inu. Click.
Find where it says Upload Photo.
If you haven't Logged In you will have to do so first.
Click on Upload Photo.
When the page opens...where it says Choose a category
be sure it says Shiba Inu.
Click on Browse. Find your photo in the dialogue box and click open.
There is also a link to upload multiple pictures if you choose to do so.
Enter a Title for your photo.
Click Upload/Submit.
Do this proceedure for all your photos, you have 10mb of free storage here.
Now go back to the shiba forum. Enter your post as normal, scroll down below the text box to where it says Select Image from Photo Gallery. Use the drop down arrow to find the photo you would like to post, and click on the photo.
You can also hold down your CTRL key and highlite up to three photos to place in a post.
If you would like to title your photos or place a little story about them you can do so easily by copying the URL that is at the bottom of each uploaded picture. To find the url, click to enlarge the picture and you will find the url below the photo. Just copy any or all Urls into Notepad or something similar. When posting pictures using the URL's you will need to add [ IMG ] and [ /IMG ] before and after the url. Please note there should be no spaces in the brackets, that was just for posting purposes.
I would use the Preview feature to be sure your picture(s) loads, once done just click on Post Message.
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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.

>>One thing I don't get and don't agree with that the article said was....If someone breeds a longhair rotti for the purpose of having more longhairs that they are unethicle. Why would that be? I mean it isn't something that is going to hurt the offspring. It is purly a matter of looks. Granted they wouldn't be show quality but so what. They are beautiful. I get comments on a daily basis on how beautiful my dog is. How would breeding that be unethical?? Any thoughts?

Strong thoughts in fact. In the shelters right now are MILLIONS of dogs, many thousands of them Rotties, needing homes. There is absolutely NO REASON to breed dogs other than striving toward the standard. Other than for show/breeding, there are more than enough cute/beautiful, whatever PETS needing of homes. Breeding for any nonstandard trait is what puppymillers/backyard breeders do to SELL DOGS. Its unethical, and even immoral in my opinion.
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Debra
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Very good point.

>>Does anyone else have a longhaired rotti. I adopted a dog from someone on petfinder.com two years ago. I was told that she was a longhaired rotti and that it was from a ressesive gene. I have papers for her and both parents were rotti. Others have told me that they have heard of them but breeds tell me that they don't exist. You can definatly tell that she has rotti in her but I must say that her head does look more lab. Any thoughts???
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>>Cindy

Cindi long hair does happen and more often than most breeders want to admit. We had our first and only TRUE long haired pup in almost 20 yrs of Rotties and to be honest I nearly had a stroke. However, a good friend with an obedience school fell in love, took the pup and I am thankful that she was born and is giving such love. Of course she is spayed, and of course we look CLOSE at pedigrees to keep from crossing with known coated lines, but if you want to see a purebred Rottie, nearly all the pics on Mary's site are Sugar Bear, who not only is purebred but also has a half-brother who was at westminster this year and is in the AKC top 25.

http://www.clickerlessons.com/lessons.html
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Debra
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Just to add a point I don't think anyone has made on this string, let's consider what happens if people try to breed for a very uncommon trait. In my breed, the gray color is uncommon. When these dogs show up, there's usually nothing special wrong with them, but they are penalized in the show ring so there is no reason to try to breed for that color. As long as the dogs just show up when that is how the genetics happen to fall, the color will probably not be connected with a health problem, and the same may be true of the long-haired Rotti.

But these dogs with the anomaly are a VERY small gene pool. If people were to start deliberately breeding to try to get more of that trait, chances are very high they would wind up breeding dogs with very serious problems who would suffer and whose owners would wind up broken hearted. The gene pool is just too small. And there is no reason to do this. Gray dogs of my breed lose one of the most important traits in the breed, the red color. They look as much like some kind of Husky as they do like their own breed.

Rotties are rough and ready-to-go dogs, which long coat would detract from. Long coats require a lot of extra grooming time, cause the dog to heat up more when working (which is what Rotties were bred for: work), collect stickers and things that interfere with the dog's movement, and breeding for that coat would likely increase the incidence of health problems in the resulting long-coated dogs.

We need to just place these unusual dogs in appropriate homes to enjoy them when they happen naturally, and not try to borrow trouble by breeding for a trait that does not have an advantage and would surely create suffering for dogs and people.
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Thanks so much Debra for that web site. Surgar looks just like my Maggie. It is nice to see others like her.

Cindy