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Hi, my name is Tracy. I am a rottie owner/handler and have a nephew that is looking to purchase a Dogue De Bordeaux. I told him that I would do some research for him.

My questions are:
1.What are the genetic health issues with this breed?
2.What health certifications should he be looking for in the parents?
3.I have noticed that a lot of breeders only register with the UKC. Should the breeding stock be registered AKC FSS or is UKC enough?
4.What health guarrantees should he expect in a puppy contract?(i.e. OFA-hips/elbows/heart/thyroid, CERF)
5.And lastly, What are some main questions he should be asking a breeder?

Any help anyone can give me would greatly be appreciated.
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>>Hi, my name is Tracy. I am a rottie owner/handler and have a nephew that is looking to purchase a Dogue De Bordeaux. I told him that I would do some research for him.
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>>My questions are:
>>1.What are the genetic health issues with this breed?
>>2.What health certifications should he be looking for in the parents?
>>3.I have noticed that a lot of breeders only register with the UKC. Should the breeding stock be registered AKC FSS or is UKC enough?
>>4.What health guarrantees should he expect in a puppy contract?(i.e. OFA-hips/elbows/heart/thyroid, CERF)
>>5.And lastly, What are some main questions he should be asking a breeder?
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>>Any help anyone can give me would greatly be appreciated.
>>Tracy
>>Link

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I don't have the answers to your questions handy, and really it's better if the person making the decision does the research anyway. I can give you a good lead--check with the rescue for the breed. They will tell you why people give them up and what kinds of health problems they have to pay vet expenses for in the rescue dogs and what kinds of breeders are letting their dogs go into rescue rather than taking them back and taking care of them themselves as all good breeders do.

Also, the Dogue was chosen for one of my favorite movies, Turner and Hooch, specifically because they did not want to put a cute, perfect dog on the screen that everyone would run out and adopt. The drooling on the movie? The breed really does that. I guess your nephew doesn't consider that a problem? What it means is slime on the clothing of people who interact with the dog, on their hands, you can imagine their faces if the dog licks them, gooey tennis balls, slobber on the walls when the dog shakes his head, a mess around the water dish...I expect dogs of this breed often wind up living outside.

It's so important not to select a dog on the basis of looks, but that's what people do. Tell him that when you find the dog whose needs and genetic behavior traits fit with yours, you will develop an educated eye for the great looks of that breed. Point out to him that it takes awhile to develop the eye for a new car model. It's the same with any visual, including clothing fashions and how dogs look.

The first thing to consider is what lifestyle you will have with your dog for the next 10 to 15 years. Or in the case of a Dogue, maybe 8 would cover it.
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Thankyou Kathy, for your advice. I have already talked to a rescue person at a show and gave their card to my nephew. He called them as well and did his own breed research.

The reason why I am doing some of this research is because he has not dealt with breeders and their contracts and I have. Before advising him on what to look for in a puppy contract and COE breeders, I wanted to find out what is the norm for this breed.

I know what is required for my own breed, but am having some trouble getting very much info on the Dogue De Bordeaux. Also, I have never shown UKC and to be honest, I don't know anything about this registry. So part of my question was about registration.

I also want to inform him on possible health certification and their costs, but don't know what is expected for this breed.

I, too, do rescue and fostering, so I am well aware of the plight of our unwanted pets. That is why I want him to make the most informed decission possible.

Hello,

With my pharaoh hound bitch, I participate in both AKC and UKC events; conformation and field events. To participate, a dog must be registered with each organization to compete within that organization.

It is not difficult to register your dog - steps are listed on their websites. www.akc.org and www.ukcdogs.com.

For the latest information and correct procedures, please contact them. Things change. Address your questions directly to them. I have found both to be very accommodating and helpful... I had some really goofy questions in the beginning.

At this time Dogues are in AKC Miscellaneous Group while UKC has them in Guardian Dog Group. I'm sure you are way ahead of me on that.

Good luck.

Sandy

This site I found on the web. Seems to have a lot of good information. I don't know the breed, except they are BIG powerful dogs that need obedience trying right from the start.

http://www.ddbs.org/page13.html

My questions are:
1.What are the genetic health issues with this breed?
2.What health certifications should he be looking for in the parents?
3.I have noticed that a lot of breeders only register with the UKC. Should the breeding stock be registered AKC FSS or is UKC enough?
4.What health guarrantees should he expect in a puppy contract?(i.e. OFA-hips/elbows/heart/thyroid, CERF)
5.And lastly, What are some main questions he should be asking a breeder?

Hi, I own and show DDB and have for the last 7 years, but am also a rottie owner. My first suggestion is that you go to the national breed clubs website at www.ddbs.org. As for your questions here is my opinion

Health issues - orthopedic as with any large breed, elbows, pasterns and hips are a problem

Health certificates - look at the stars program on the DDBS website, these should include heart, hips, elbows, thyroid and eyes for the basics

As for registration - this can be tricky, first off does he want to compete with his dog? the breed is now in Misc class with AKC so you would want a dog that has a proven 3 generation pedigree with AKC or FCI so that when the breed moves to the Working group it can continue to compete and also be used for a breeding program if that is what he has in mind. While we are in Misc class AKC will except the UKC pedigree, but all 3 generations must have UKC numbers - many have blanks in them as UKC will issue pedigrees that are not complete.

Health guarentees - same as other health questions

Questions of the breeder - should be same as with any breed dog. Much will depend on what he is looking for as far as competing. As with rotties and other breeds different bloodlines will have some differences in temperament. Some bloodlines are big couch potatoes and that might be what you are looking for, but there are a few bloodlines that have been breeding for working temperment as these dogs are capable of doing obedience, rally, carting and french ring sport. Do be aware that this breed like many others can be dog/animal aggressive. This does not mean they can't have manners, but may never be friendly to other dogs. Any breeder that says their pups will never be dog aggressive can not in my opinion guarantee that.

Feel free to email me with more questions if you want as I am one of the contact people listed on the parent club's website as the AKC Liaison.

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Val.
proudly owned by
Majic the Rotten
Purl - the Nottweiler (Dogue de Bordeaux)
Quest - the otherweiler (DDB)
Chrissy & Tina who have earned their wings

Hey Val is that Quest??

I love your babies!!!

Yes the pic I posted is Quest about 2 years ago, he has filled out some since then, he has grown into that huge muzzle
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Val.
proudly owned by
Majic the Rotten
Purl - the Nottweiler (Dogue de Bordeaux)
Quest - the otherweiler (DDB)
Chrissy & Tina who have earned their wings