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Need help with springer puppy

racingfangirl Dec 22, 2009 11:35 AM

Hello,

I'm new to the forum, and in bad need of help.

My husband and I recently got an English Springer puppy, Charlie, when he was 8 weeks. He is now 13 weeks, and in the time we've had him, we have had extreme difficulties in training.

The first week, before he settled in, he was an angel. But then we took him to my husband's relatives' house for Thanksgiving, and they played rougher with him than I prefer and he got overexcited. So I took him back home, away from the bad influences. The trouble is, he still hasn't calmed back down.

Charlie is very smart -- he knows four tricks and will do them when he is calm (especially if there is food involved). But then there's the other side of Charlie. He goes on rampages, barking, biting/nipping any human in sight, using dominating behavior (like climbing on our laps and standing over us), etc. The word "No" or "Sit" does not exist when he's in this state of mind. Now, I know that puppies like to play, and I know they like to bite -- I can deal with that for a time. But we have tried method after method of training him not to bite and nothing is working. If anything, he's getting progressively worse.

First I tried getting up and walking away when he started biting. Then he would follow me and chew my ankles. Or he would give up on me and chase our cats and try biting them. The next step was always time out in our bathroom. That works briefly, but pretty soon, he's back to his old tricks. Did that for a couple of weeks.

So then we started trying to grab his mouth and hold it shut when he bit. That only made him bite more. So did popping him on the nose. And finally we resorted to the controversial alpha rolling -- I still have scars on my hands and arms and I think all we did was traumatize the dog and make him more aggressive. Oh, did I mention we tried the spray bottle technique too? This dog likes water. Forget that one.

He's definitely a dominant puppy. He always tries to run out the door ahead of us (even as I'm pushing him back and telling him to wait for the human to go through first), he "sasses" us when we correct him, he sometimes growls when we put him in timeouts and he always growls and snaps when we bring him in after letting him run in the fenced area behind our house. (Taking him on long walks is tough because we're in northeast Ohio and it is freezing everyday up here.) He hasn't shown any food aggression, but he can be possessive of his toys. And it's not just me and my husband. When my dad or my mother-in-law have visited, he has done the exact same things to them. He's very stubborn and we're running out of ideas.

So I guess my question is, what else can we try? We're thinking of giving him the doggy anti-anxiety supplements just to get through these days with him. But will he grow out of this or do we have a hyper and/or possibly aggressive dog on our hands for life? Should we be worried for our cats? I don't want to take him back to the breeder, but our nerves are wearing very thin. Along with that, he's not a particularly cuddly puppy -- usually when I try to pet him for a while, he ends up biting again. Kind of defeats the purpose of even having a dog, when we can't even enjoy his company!

Please help!

Replies (3)

racingfangirl Dec 22, 2009 11:46 AM

Just remembered a couple other things we tried too. We have also tried grabbing him by the scruff of his neck and giving him a little shake when he bites -- just makes him meaner. The one thing that works in the short-term (besides the timeouts) is giving him a toy to play with instead of our hands. Sometimes this buys us a few moments of peace, but other times, he just throws it downs and goes for our skin again. He also presses his toys up against our legs while he's playing with them, which I also read is a sign of dominance.

KDiamondDavis Dec 23, 2009 06:35 AM

Go to the Canine Behavior Series at the link with my signature, and start with the article "Puppy Biting." There are lots of other articles there that can help you, including the one on Alpha.

You need to get into a puppy class with this young guy, VERY SOON, because developmental periods are passing quickly. You are not handling him correctly, and you need to learn how to do that.
Besides puppy class, a private behavior specialist coming to your house would be a great benefit. Best to have all the people there who handle the dog so the behavior specialist can observe the handling and advise you.

It is possible the pup has a bad temperament, but he could be a normal puppy just going through his developmental periods. If you do not handle him correctly during this time, damage will be done to his temperament. The critical times for development pass very quickly. Get help right away.

Another tip is to keep him on a leash in the house when you are supervising him. It is not safe to leave a leash on an unattended dog, because he could get caught on something and strangle. But when you are with him, the leash gives you a means to handle him much more positively and gently. You need to be doing that. The reactions you are getting to dominance techniques are not usual. You need to stop using that approach.
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Kathy Diamond Davis, author, "Therapy Dogs: Training Your Dog to Reach Others," 2nd edition, and the free Canine Behavior Series articles at http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=SRC&S=1&SourceID=47

KDiamondDavis Dec 23, 2009 06:38 AM

OOPS! Sorry, I mistyped this:

"The reactions you are getting to dominance techniques are not usual. You need to stop using that approach."

What I meant to type was:

"The reactions you are getting to dominance techniques are not UNusual. You need to stop using that approach."
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Kathy Diamond Davis, author, "Therapy Dogs: Training Your Dog to Reach Others," 2nd edition, and the free Canine Behavior Series articles at http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=SRC&S=1&SourceID=47

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