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Well Qing, CH Northgate's As You Like It, won his 7th all breed BIS yesterday. People are saying he tied the record. Well who was the dog currently holding the record?
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Bekki and
Atreyu AKA BIF FC DesertPhoenix Emerald Warrior, FCH,CGC,SC,RA,NA HIC, PHCA Versatility Excellent 2008
Bridget AKA ILP Kaije Staind Glass Beauty "Resident Cheerleader"
Uber aka AKC CH, UKC MBBIS CH XO Uber Alles, SC
La-La aka FC XO Ulala,SC 2010 PHCA Western Specialty Best of Winners

7 BIS in that amount of time is without a doubt an excellent accomplisment.
I am not sure who holds the record for BIS, "The Khan" owned by Rita Sacks and Laurie Laventhall earned 10 BIS wins. He was brought to the USA in 1976.
Good luck to Qing, CH Northgate's As You Like It.
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C's Pharaoh Hounds
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DC Pal's Jamilah Raziye MC CD MX MXJ 1st RAE Pharaoh (1996-2009)
FC MACH 4 Jamilah Fatima SC XF RA 1st AKC Invitational Finalist "06"
TC MACH 8 Jamilah Bamba SC RN XF 1st Triple Champion Pharaoh Hound, 1st Mach 3,4,5,6,7,8 Pharaoh Hound, 2nd AKC Invitational Finalist "07", "09"
FC MACH 3 Pal's Max MC RE 1st MACH and 1st MACH 2 Pharaoh (1996-2010)
MACH 3 Ch C's Jameel Malik SC RN OF

Sesotris (Khan) was way before AKC recognition. I'm pretty sure the most current US record holder is Bek.
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Pam Haig
Mia Pharaohs
"Home of the good, the bad & the obnoxious"
How beautiful it is to do nothing and then rest afterward
*Spanish proverb"

Didn't the late Kay Durr's Rebel win 12 BIS??
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Marie & the Jomara Gang
Jomara's Pharaoh Hounds since 1984

Home to Ghazzi, Hallie, Sheikh and Diesel, and of course Joe, who puts up with all of us!

Sadly, but no, Rebel only won 4 ( or maybe 5 ) all breed BIS....but he was the FIRST male to earn a Best!! It has been about 15 years ago and my mind isn't what it used to be!! Gunner only took home one red/white/blue rosette so I know he wasn't in the running for the all time record!! I am thinking it must be Bek that holds the current record but Qing will top the record for sure.

Jodi and the Leavenworth 'gang'

Jodi, it seems like everytime I opened a new Sighthound Review, Rebel was pictured winning "another" BIS! I'm going to did out the old magazines and look him up.
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Marie & the Jomara Gang
Jomara's Pharaoh Hounds since 1984

Home to Ghazzi, Hallie, Sheikh and Diesel, and of course Joe, who puts up with all of us!

Rebel won 4 all breed bests, over 90 group placemenets, a third of those group ones. The first in Wichita Falls Tx march 1994, the second College station April 1994. The 3rd and fourth I'm not sure of the order (I saw all but the one in LA). One of them was in Lubbock Sept 1994 or 5, the other in LA.

Lorna

I know Kay did a lot of advertising of his Group wins but Rebel did only earn 4 all breed Best in Shows as per Lorna's post. Would love to see some of those old ads.....

Jodi and the 'gang'

Would love to see some of those old ads.....
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>>Jodi and the 'gang'

Jodi, that's a great idea! I'll have to go find them, copy and paste. It's fun looking back.....
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Marie & the Jomara Gang
Jomara's Pharaoh Hounds since 1984

Home to Ghazzi, Hallie, Sheikh and Diesel, and of course Joe, who puts up with all of us!

I got it explained to me (long ago) that it is easier to win BIS in Texas as their shows are much smaller? Just about 400-700 dogs? (Compared to the bigger shows in the north and CA, and like Swedish match shows) And not many PHs are being shown there? I thought Horus was the record holder? He had many BIS'es and he also lived in/was shown in Texas. But of course Kay's Rebel must have had a lot too? Did Samba win BIS? I can't remember, but she surely would have deserved at least one, and Melody also. Other great ones have "just" 1-3 I think, such as Ramsan, Bek, Simone.
Farao Anubis Pharaoh Hounds, Sweden

of course K'Azar "Rebel" was also a Texas dog.

Texas is a big state with many show clusters and some large entries of all-breeds. Quing has been shown in several states of the south including Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, OK, and Kansas, which is a mid-western state. Not all shows are small entries. Right now due to the soft economy in the U.S. the entries are lower than normal.

I think Pam is right that Quing now holds the Best In Show record for the Pharaoh Hound breed. Bek is probably number two. The last year he was shown he recieved the most BIS.

I agree that Samba should have won many, but am not sure if she did. Several Pharaoh Hounds deserve a BIS including the beautiful Simbel from Ohio own by Jan Ault and K. Graga. I hope he will receive recognition from a very knowing judge in time.

I'm very proud that my little India, DC Senbi's Memories of Spring, SC, Fch. will go down in history as one of them.

For a breed with so few numbers in this country, I think we have achieved a great deal of prestige and have come a long way with the quality presented in the show ring.

Linda Tetreault
Wildwood Pharaoh Hounds
House of Senbi, since 1987
Home of Happy Pharaoh Hounds

To the best of my knowledge Samba, however well deserved, never went BIS. Doggone shame IMO.

Sam
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Merit Pharaoh Hounds
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I'm also curious on why big size, and huge amount of speckled white suddenly is OK in the US, whose judges (and breeders and show people) has been known for penalizing/disliking/excluding PHs with those traits. I also have a big male with big white specled chest, and I have nothing against that, or other minor color or size things. I feel (and see, obviously) that colour matters less to breeders here than in US. But I know how much these things have been discussed and dreaded on these boards earlier on.
Farao Anubis Pharaoh Hounds, Sweden

I can't answer about judges preferences or what have you, but people not in our breed comment so much on him because he is sound and has great ring presence. People just look at him and say.."WOW"!

Like him or not, must admit, it's pretty impressive that he got majority of his points and all of his majors towards championship in the groups, not the classes. And yes some of the shows might be small, but some of the tough competition goes there too.

To me a BIS is a BIS. Down the road, when people ask, who has the the record for most AKC All-breed BIS, they aren't going to say..Qing but he only beat xx amount of dogs in that show.

Earning one BIS is a great feat in our breed, earning multiples...outstanding!!! And all involved should be proud to brag, regardless of personal opinions.
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Bekki and
Atreyu AKA BIF FC DesertPhoenix Emerald Warrior, FCH,CGC,SC,RA,NA HIC, PHCA Versatility Excellent 2008
Bridget AKA ILP Kaije Staind Glass Beauty "Resident Cheerleader"
Uber aka AKC CH, UKC MBBIS CH XO Uber Alles, SC
La-La aka FC XO Ulala,SC 2010 PHCA Western Specialty Best of Winners

Bekki,

I agree, he is an impressive looking dog. I'm happy for the owners and handler that their time and efforts have paid off. I'm even happier the breed is getting such recognition.

The bottom line in showing is what your dog can produce. We have had some really nice dogs who's gets and grand-gets are still producing quaility and to the standard. When I look at a dog in the ring I ask myself, does this dog meet the standard?

Our judges in the U. S. should also ask the same question. Since I am not able to attend a lot of shows this year, I usually am up early on saturday morning watcing Animal Planet's Eucanuba Championship dog shows and Ed Bivin repeatedly states the dogs in the group ring are judged by the standard.

Each judge should decide on their own what the interpetation of the standard is, not what looks impressive.

I prefer a medium size dog in the Pharaoh Hound. This is what I bought into. I'd rather not see excessive size dogs suddenly dominating our breed's ring.

Linda Tetreault
Birmingham, Alabama USA

Home of Happy Pharaoh Hounds

I don't think it's become any more OK than it ever was among "most" American breeders. I do think that sometimes a large dog, with more white than I personally prefer comes along that is such a great show dog, it is recognized.
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Pam Haig
Mia Pharaohs
"Home of the good, the bad & the obnoxious"
How beautiful it is to do nothing and then rest afterward
*Spanish proverb"

You have to admit he is a great "show dog"!! And it doesn't hurt that Brian Livingston is at the other end of the lead!
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Marie & the Jomara Gang
Jomara's Pharaoh Hounds since 1984

Home to Ghazzi, Hallie, Sheikh and Diesel, and of course Joe, who puts up with all of us!

AMEN TO THAT....

jodi and the 'gang'

I would hope that ALL breeders are concerned with too much size and too much white regardless of what part of the world they are located. We all know size is there and white can get excessive quickly and need to be conscious of it especially when breeding.
As for white, the AKC standard spells it out well
"COLOR -- Ranging from tan/rich tan/chestnut with white markings allowed as follows: White tip on tail strongly desired. White on chest (called 'the Star'). White on toes and slim white snip on center line of face permissible. Flecking or other white undesirable, except for any solid white spot on back of neck, shoulder, or any part of the back or sides of the dog, which is a disqualification."
An entire white bib from the chin to well under the chest is not a Star. It specifically states that flecking is undesirable. Maybe some of our judges need to reread the standard which is what the dogs at the group level are supposed to be judged against.
All that said these are faults that still have to be weighed against the whole dog. All dogs have faults which have to be judged to their level of severity, just as opinions vary on how straight of a front is too straight of a front. When judging one hopes they are taking into account the whole dog, weighing the areas where the dog excels and where it could use improvement compared to what that breed standard calls for.
I know as a breeder there are characteristics that bother me more than others as I know the potential genetic impact they can have. That does not mean these are any more or less important when judging to the standard as a whole.

Shiela,

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS OF WISDOM

jodi and the 'gang'

Sheila, I couldn't have said that any better!!! Thank you!
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Marie & the Jomara Gang
Jomara's Pharaoh Hounds since 1984

Home to Ghazzi, Hallie, Sheikh and Diesel, and of course Joe, who puts up with all of us!

Hey Sheila,

Thanks! This will save me from having to pull out my standard and finishing my message.

I just said it in a different way.

Linda T.

Melody was never awarded a BIS, although she earned 19 Group 1's.
I don't believe Samba had a all-breed BIS either. For my money, these 2 girls were both very deserving of a BIS...although I admit I'm somewhat biased regarding Ms. Mel.
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Greg
Always owned by Nubie & Flashdog, (looking down from above with lil' Miss Scarlett), Tari, Wingnut, the Tipster, Evan Elpus, brother Wyatt Witt and the new kid on the block, until we find him the perfect show home, ...Dylan...oh heck, he just might be stayin' around!

The Texas dogs you have mentioned traveled out of their home state to be shown, so I don't think living and showing in Texas had anything to do with their winning BIS. No, Horus was not the record holder. No including any Hound Show Bests, I believe he had 3. I think Rebel had 4 and Bek 5. Don't take this info to the bank, but I'm pretty sure it's correct.

Unfortunately neither Samba nor Melody ever won an all-breed BIS.
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Pam Haig
Mia Pharaohs
"Home of the good, the bad & the obnoxious"
How beautiful it is to do nothing and then rest afterward
*Spanish proverb"

Both Melody and Samba, IMO, DESERVED a Best. They were both bitches that I would have taken home!!

Jodi and the Leavenworth 'gang'

Both Melody and Samba, IMO, DESERVED a Best. They were both bitches that I would have taken home!!

***I couldn't agree more Jodi, but then, I suppose I should fess up to just a "slight" amount of bias
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Pam Haig
Mia Pharaohs
"Home of the good, the bad & the obnoxious"
How beautiful it is to do nothing and then rest afterward
*Spanish proverb"

It nice to see that my old princess "Juno" Faouziahs Bastet still seems to be the female record BIS winners holder

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Tanja Sadelheim, Sweden
Kennel Faouziahs
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