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I'm a Newbie Betta Breeder and Need Help

misscleveland Sep 01, 2007 04:27 PM

Hi, my name is Melissa, and years ago I used this site because I was into guppies, and because of all the help I got here, I was successfully able to breed more than 50 batches of guppies. Some I kept for myself and breeded them when they grew up, some I gave to good homes, and the majority I donated to school classrooms where teachers had tanks set up, many of them went to my Biology teacher in High School who gave me my first few guppies after an incident with my horse. He gave them to me out of his classroom tanks, and told me that as long as they didn't grow legs I would be ok.

Anyway, I have moved from Arkansas to Cleveland, and I don't have the expenses really right now to buy a 20 gallon tank and set up all the stuff that it needs to run properly for guppies, and was not able to bring my equipment with me. My sister is the proud owner of them now and takes care of them with the passion just as I had. So I fell in love with a Betta I seen at the pet store. After I had him for a little while, I bought two females. I took them out of their tiny bowls though, and have moved them all into gallon size containers. One fish in each container. I have one male and two females. I've had them for a few weeks before I decided to mate them. And just recently I set up a new breeding tank and have it under a warm lamp with a thermometer and it stays in the 70 degree range. Between 70 and 75 normally. I put one female in her bowl beside of him for a few days so they could get acquainted with each other. Then after I gave them plenty of food, my male began working on his bubble nest. I very carefully put them together and watched them hour after hour after hour. When I went to bed, I took the female out and set her beside his bowl again and put them back together in the morning. That night I left them together all night long. When I woke up the next morning, his bubble nest was 3 times as big as it was when I went to bed the night before, and he was attacking her viciously. Luckily I got to her in time and scooped her out. Her appetite is fine, she's alert and not clamping fins or anything, just her fins are all ripped up. No bites or anything on her body either. So now I'm worried that maybe they did mate while I was asleep and I'm not able to tell if there are eggs because they are so tiny, would I be able to see them, and what do I look for? He is still maintaining the size of his little nest, and he is very protective of it. When I approach the tank to feed him he flares at me, where before he would just wag his little tail fin knowing I was fixing to talk to or feed him. I notice him nosing about the bubble nest quite often, so I am hoping that all these details point to that there are more than likely eggs in the nest. Also, how long before I would be able to see the little babies and know for sure? Maybe 3 days I think? Is that right? Please help, I am looking for alot of replies and opinions, even any bit of advice to make things a little more conceievable about these beautiful fish. Thanks in advance for all the help! I know people on this site are really good about being helpful.

One more thing, does anyone know of or have some good betta baby pictures, even a timeline of the growth of them with pictures? It would be nice. I'm trying to absorb everything I can about the breeding thing. And don't worry, I already have places for the babies to go. My friend accidently got a female thinking it was a young male at the store, and she admires my male, and I'm going to pass along a beautiful baby to her and some people I work with as well, I've got them all interested. Also, the pet shop owner, George, said that if I could breed them, he'd buy them back from me. I'm a regular at his place, LOL! Thanks again!

Replies (5)

phishie Sep 03, 2007 09:58 AM

HI Melissa. Welcome back.
I would highly recommend that you not leave your bettas unattended because you could lose your female this way. I know because a few people on the boards lost theirs and it's just not a happy thing. Males will be VERY aggressive after breeding (successful or not). I've linked a very good site for you to read up on breeding and taking care of the babies. I hope you've got baby food already. If you don't, I would get some pronto.
On the site, 1st visit Breeding Bettas -> how bettas spawn. There are some helpful pictures and descriptions from a breeder who knows the ins and outs of breeding.
Also, check out Rearing the Fry -> Fry Growth. There are some pictures of every stage of their life. Feel free to read any of the other pages. They are all very helpful I think. This is where I first learned about breeding bettas, but I just haven't had the proper time to give them with a job and 15 credits/semester at college.
Keep us posted with your success and trials.

No bites or anything on her body either. So now I'm worried that maybe they did mate while I was asleep and I'm not able to tell if there are eggs because they are so tiny, would I be able to see them, and what do I look for? He is still maintaining the size of his little nest, and he is very protective of it. When I approach the tank to feed him he flares at me, where before he would just wag his little tail fin knowing I was fixing to talk to or feed him. I notice him nosing about the bubble nest quite often, so I am hoping that all these details point to that there are more than likely eggs in the nest. Also, how long before I would be able to see the little babies and know for sure? Maybe 3 days I think? Is that right? Please help, I am looking for alot of replies and opinions, even any bit of advice to make things a little more conceievable about these beautiful fish. Thanks in advance for all the help! I know people on this site are really good about being helpful.
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>>One more thing, does anyone know of or have some good betta baby pictures, even a timeline of the growth of them with pictures? It would be nice. I'm trying to absorb everything I can about the breeding thing. And don't worry, I already have places for the babies to go. My friend accidently got a female thinking it was a young male at the store, and she admires my male, and I'm going to pass along a beautiful baby to her and some people I work with as well, I've got them all interested. Also, the pet shop owner, George, said that if I could breed them, he'd buy them back from me. I'm a regular at his place, LOL! Thanks again!
Betta Link

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Phishie

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

misscleveland Sep 03, 2007 01:57 PM

Thank you bunches for the website and the help! I'm at work right now, I am a keyholder at RadioShack, and things are a bit slow right now, so I am going to spend some time familiarizing myself with these gorgeous fishies. I really appreciate it. One more thing, though. I didn't see any babies or any eyes, and the bubblenest started to diminish after a little while. He was resting himself on the bottom of the tank, so I gave him a water change and cleaned out his tank really well. He's spiffy again, and especially since I put my other female's tank right up next to him. She loves him to death, and keeps teasing him like crazy. Anyway, I am going to really take my time with these two and really let them get acquainted for right now.

I will post some updates and also pictures to let everyone know how things are going! Thanks again for all your help!

-Melissa

phishie Sep 03, 2007 08:05 PM

I'd say your first attempt wasn't successful then. I know how that goes because I've got 4 parakeets and the one just keeps on humping (and has been for over a year now), and I haven't had one fertilized egg yet with 2 females. Also, I've got 2 leopard geckos, and am waiting on the results of the 2nd clutch, which I'm starting to think it wasn't successful either. My point is sometimes you just have to be patient because guppies are not difficult to breed. When you have to put effort into it, you may fail a few times before you (and the animals) get it right.

The good news is, you learn something new with each attempt.
Also, I've read you should keep more than one male and more than one female (kudos for doing that already) because one of the males may not want to breed with the female you choose and vice versa. I've just read that, and have no experience with betta breeding.

Good luck to you and your bettas. Remember not to leave them alone together unsupervised. I'd hate to hear that you lost one.
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Phishie

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

misscleveland Sep 04, 2007 09:48 AM

Yes, my first attempt was unsuccessful. However, I did spend hours and hours on that betta website yesterday and last night. It is very thorough. I remember how complicated it was with the bird mating thing. My mother once got a "craving" for a pet bird, as she had had finches when I was just a little girl. After I accidently turned the microwave on with a little birdie right behind it...you can just imagine what happened...she decided to let the bird thing rest. I was only like 3 yrs old...but I still feel bad about that. Anyway, she got like 7 cockatiels...I think that's what they are. The ones with the red circles on their cheeks. Well the only way that I could tell them apart was that female's cheeks were pinkish, not as red as the males. But that led to alot of confusion, and my mom tried mating several males together before she got it right, LOL! We had a few clutches of eggs, but none ever hatched, even though the birdies were getting it on.

It makes me think about something though. Just the facination that certain people like us have about breeding..well...anything for that matter, it really goes to show you that humans really are the most curious creatures. I mated guppies because I felt like I was the "momma" and they were all my little babies. Same thing now with the bettas, I want to try and create more of these beautiful fish, and when I succeed, it will be a personal accomplishment. Whenever people look at something like that with that kind of thought, they get passionate about it. I do believe that I am passionate about my bettas. I am going to take it slow with these bettas. They are new to me, and I'm new to them, and hey, they're even new to each other. So it only makes sense, that before I can get a successful spawning, all of us have to be acquainted and comfortable in our surroundings. I believe I am going to lay off of them for another week or so. I have my male in a green vase, and my female in a smaller clear one, and then another female in a tall vase. They look really nice. But I won't be pulling out the breeding tank for a little while. Anyway, I'll still be floating around this website reading and picking up hints and clues while I'm just getting used to the new bettas. Here are a few pictures of my beautiful fish. My male's name is Fish Face, the red female one is Rose, and the red and purple female is Petunia.

misscleveland Sep 04, 2007 10:17 AM

I am currently working on uploading photos of my bettas. Have to recharge the digital camera batteries first. But also, I've decided not to breed them until I get some microworm cultures first. Does anybody know where I can get some?

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