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About Ready To Skin My Cat

littleangel77007 Feb 22, 2007 11:56 PM

Okay, I would never REALLY skin my cat! But man, she is driving me crazy. Here's my problem. One of my cats is peeing all over our house. (I know, you've heard this one before. Just wait...)

We got Kara about 2 1/2 years ago. We adopted her from a no-kill shelter. 2 days after we got her, we found she had a Urinary Tract Infection. I took her to the vet, who put her on Amoxicillin. She was okay for a week or so, then she started peeing everywhere again. I took her to a different vet, who simply told us everything was fine, and sent us on our merry way. Not willing to accept that, I took her to a clinic that specializes in cats (and would quickly become my new employer). The vet ran some tests and told us that her original UTI hadn't totally cleared up. She put Kara on a different antibiotic (Baytril) and had us check back in a week.

After a week, Kara had stopped peeing everywhere. The doctor said that FLUTD is fairly common in cats, but Kara showed no signs of it. This seemed to be an actual infection, which is much more rare. She had me feed Kara a high-quality over-the-counter diet, and she put her on Cosequin, which is a glucosamine/chondroitin supplement. It's usually given to cats with arthritis, but the lining of the bladder is made up of the same tissues that make up cartilage, so Cosequin is thought to help prevent bladder infections.

So Kara had been doing well until I brought her back from that checkback at the vet. She then promptly started peeing again, but it was only on my things. MY chair, MY bed, MY side of the couch, even my lap! I told the vet about it, and she said that it was behavioral, and apparently Kara didn't like me. (Who can blame her? She was suddenly brought into a new house, and I repeatedly carted her off to mean vets!) My vet rocommended that I personally feed my kitty for several days, and give her treats and pet her a lot so she would learn I'm not so bad after all. And it worked! She stopped peeing everywhere! For almost 2 years! Until...

2 weeks ago, my mom got into bed one evening, and I promptly heard, "UGH! D@#% CAT!!!" Kara had peed on my mom's bed, just below her pillow, right where my mom sleeps. Now, I admit, I had recently been negligent in cleaning the litter boxes. And, Kara had gotten locked in that bedroom for about 30-45 minutes that day. So we figured that was it. We cleaned up the bed, soaking the mattress with Nature's Miracle, and washed the linens. We put new sheets on the bed, I cleaned the litter boxes thoroughly, and we assumed that was the end.

Well, a few days ago, Kara did it again. Right on my mom's bed in the same spot. She also hit my mom's chair. And, for some reason, she peed on the catnip mat that we have in the hallway. We checked with the vet, and she says it's not an infection, and that this sounds behavioral, as if Kara doesn't like my mom now for some reason. But we can't figure out what the reason is. Nothing has changed in the house recently. My mom hasn't altered her routine, except to now keep her bedroom door closed so no one pees on her bed again. And my mom is already the one who feeds the cats (and Kara's too fat to get treats), so we don't know what to do. (And I should add, to be fair, that we are not 100% sure that it is Kara who is doing it, but she is the prime suspect because of her history, and because she is the one who alerted me to the 2nd bed incident and the catnip mat because she was trying to cover them up. And in this house, the one who covers generally turns out to be the guilty one.)

Now, I am a firm believer in keeping any animal that you adopt for its whole life. Taking on an animal is a big commitment, not one to be undertaken lightly. And GENERALLY, most behavior problems tend to come from inappropriate actions an the part of the owner, and GENERALLY most behavior issues are solvable. And I don't believe in doing things such as declawing your cat simply because its ripping up your new leather sofa. That's your problem, not the cat's. That said, I cannot blame people who, for example, may turn in a dog or have it put to sleep because of a rare case of the dog being mentally unstable and suddenly becoming vicious. When your and your family's safety is an issue, that another story. That said, we are getting to a point where we are close to turning Kara back in to the rescue group we got her from. After all, she IS starting to ruin furniture, but moreover, peeing all over the house is very unsanitary, and cat urine tends to aggravate my asthma.

If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know! We are really at the end of our ropes here. Thanks!

Oh, and little extra info: We have 4 cats total (all female) and 1 female dog. The cats have worked out a system, and if they don't all like each other, they at least manage to tolerate each other and generally be civil. Actually, Kara is the only one who gets along with all three other cats. Kara doesn't like the dog though. The dog's bark scares her. We have 3 litter boxes, 2 upstairs (where the dog isn't allowed) and 1 downstairs. (I know we really should have 5 boxes, but my mom won't allow any more boxes in here house.) I keep them as clean as possible, usually scooping at least once a day, though occasionally, it's every other day when I'm sick or out of town. None of them are covered, and we use Arm & Hammer clumping litter in all of them, which Kara has never seemed to have a problem with.

Replies (3)

kittyromeo Feb 23, 2007 03:01 PM

Get a Feliway plug in diffuser for your mom's bedroom (I've got asthma too, it never bothered my lungs) In some cases, Feliway can be a great help in ending litterbox misses. I'm guessing there is still a scent cue in your mom's room telling kitty to "go here!". The Feliway will counter act that cue, but it can take time to work. (up to 30 days if you use the manual pump spray so the diffuser really is better)

With the urination on the catnip mat, I'm wondering if there isn't an issue between cats that you just haven't picked up on. That's a pretty bold feline public statment to pee on a toy.

Since your boss has helped you closely examine all health possiblities, I'd really suggest getting a behavior consult. Cornell use to do them over the phone for a small fee - see if your boss can help you out here. Or, if you're strapped for cash, see what your boss thinks about putting kitty on anti-anxiety meds for a trial run.

Are your sure there is nothing new in your mom's room? No new pillow, mattress pad, area rug, nothing? I use to not really believe the warning some types of rug backing will cue a cat to urinate on them until the day I found my cats waiting in line to whiz on a new throw rug. The rug went right back out the door - the problem started and stopped in a single day. Any new foam, rubber, silcone stuffed/treated/covered/infused items in the room?

Just be aware that some shelters will put a cat with urination problems down immediately. It's too difficult to place them (and if they are adopted, the shelter can also run the risk of developing a reputation for placing unsuitable animals) Passing it on as an FYI, not a guilt trip. Just another set of questions to ask yourself if you decide to turn her back....

I'm sorry you're having such a frustrating time with this, but I think your vet is right, it's behavior based. See the last thread for a link to litterbox issues websites - maybe you can find something new there.

Purrs,
Elizabeth

littleangel77007 Feb 23, 2007 03:45 PM

Thanks. I guarantee nothing's changed in my mom's room at all. But it could be an issue between the cats. 3 of the 4 would normally sleep all day on my mom's bed, including Kara. Maybe she was trying to mark the bed as hers or keep one of the other cats off?
The two other cats that share the bed are BooBear & Gretchen. Gretchen and Kara love each other. I constantly find them curled up together, grooming each other & sleeping with their arms around each other. Maybe Gretchen ticked Kara off a few times?
Kara gets along okay with Boo, grooms her occasionally. Boo has diabetes and IBD. Her IBD causes her to sometimes not make it to the litter box when she has to go #2. Maybe Kara doesn't like the lack of cleanliness? But that's been a problem for over a year; strange that Kara would suddenly be upset by it.
Boo was recently having some issues with her diabetes, so she's been in and out of the vet's office every 2 weeks for about 2 months now. Maybe some connection there?
Thanks for the ideas. We sell the Feliway diffusers. Maybe I'll try one. I never even gave them much thought.

Oh, and I will attest to the rug backing thing too. When we adopted Gretchen, she had been a stray wandering around our backyard. We brought her in, and she started peeing on our bathroom throw rugs, which have a rubber backing. I asked the vet and she said that rubber or latex backing tends to give off a faint smell similar to ammonia. Some cats are more sensitive to the scent than others. (And my poor kitty was just trying to figure out where she was supposed to go potty now, since she's inside all the time!) We got rid of those rugs and got new ones that had no backing at all on them. Guess what? Gretchen immediately stopped peeing on them! (Of course, Kara then took up the habit because they were new and she didn't like them. Totally different problem. We now have bare bathroom floors.) But for Gretchen, it solved the issue.

PHMadameAlto Feb 24, 2007 06:26 PM


Since all is clear on the health front, then the problem is behavioral. First you should take steps to retrain the cat to the box. Basically you need to confine the cat to a room like a bathroom, or a large cage with only food, water, bedding and the litterbox. As he begins to use the litterbox consistantly you can expand his space. There is more information at this link:

Litterbox Problems

Cats need easy access to boxes and you may need to put several boxes around the house.Be sure to keep all boxes very, very clean. Scoop at least once a day!

You need to thoroughly deodorize wherever the cat has been peeing or pooping. Petastic is highly recommended as is Heaven's Own. Stinkfree really works, but has a rather strong scent of its own which lingers for a while. Anyhow, it is the smell of the "accidents" that causes a cat to reuse the place.

Check into using Feliway, a spray that mimics the happy scent cats leave when they rub their check against something. You can get it from your vet or from Cat Faeries at http://www.catfaeries.com

If you visit the website, you will see a phone number that you can call and for a fee discuss your cat's problems with someone. The person who does this is very knowlegeable and it may be worth the $$ for you. Feliway is also available in most large pet supply stores. There is also a plug-in with Feliway that can help.

Finally, if all else fails, ask you vet about using an antianxiety medication such as Buspar or Prozac. These very often work, however the decision to prescribe them will rest solely with your veterinarian who will be able to monitor the dosage and side effects.


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