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Feline Kidney Disease

Deerhounds Mar 22, 2003 05:24 PM

I am always sorry that cat people seem less involved with holistic care than dog people, as I have seen more benefits to my cats than my dogs with the holistic approach. It was my cat Chuck who first set me on the holistic path in January of 1986, and the improvement in my cats' health that I saw as I switched them to homemade raw diets was overwhelming, MUCH more so than with the dogs.

While it's not uncommon to hear some dissent on the subject of treating kidney disease in cats today, ten or fifteen years ago it was not common. The typical prescription was low protein commercial diets, preferably a prescription diet kibble. I had a senior cat at that time who was diagnosed with early kidney disease... but remember, the kidney values don't start showing signs of a problem until the kidneys have lost 70 percent of their function!

His conventional vet wanted him on a low protein diet, but I took a chance and instead fed him a high quality diet that was not at all low in protein. I was working with a holistic vet, and it was a long, long time ago so I don't recall all the details, but he was also being treated with herbs and supplements. He lived to be 19 years old and his kidney values never budged an inch in all that time.

I adopted a 14 year old rescue cat in kidney failure two and a half years ago. In the beginning he needed frequent sub-Q fluids, he needed most of his teeth removed, and he was treated by my homeopathic veterinarian. But today he is symptom-free, his kidney values are not worsening, and he's fluffy and happy and active at around 16 and a half. I have always fed him a high quality protein diet, the same diet I am feeding my other healthy cat.

I think it would be very beneficial for all who have renal kitties to at least talk to a holistic vet before heading down the prescription foods route. A great homemade diet and the care of a good holistic vet might make more difference than anything else you can do.

Also, I would think long and hard before ever vaccinating a renal cat. There is some evidence that suggests feline renal disease may be caused by feline vaccines (citation below) - and in any case, vaccines are licensed for use in healthy, clinically normal cats only.

Food for thought.

Parenteral Administration Of FVRCP Vaccines Induces Antibodies Against Feline Renal Tissues.
MR Lappin, WA Jensen, R Chandrashekar, SD Kinney
From the Department of Clinical Sciences (Lappin), Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO and the Heska Corporation, Fort Collins CO (Jensen, Chandrashekar, and Kinney).
"Chronic renal failure is a common cause of death in cats. Lymphocytic/plasmacytic interstitial nephritis is common histopathologically, suggesting immune-mediated reactions may play a role. Feline herpesvirus 1, calicivirus, and panleukopenia virus for use in feline vaccines (FVRCP) are commonly grown in Crandall-Reese Feline Kidney (CRFK) cells.... Administration of FVRCP vaccines SQ to cats can induce antibody responses to CRFK proteins and feline renal tissues."
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Christie Keith
Caber Feidh Scottish Deerhounds
Holistic Husbandry since 1986
Meet the Felines!

Replies (11)

meow2me Mar 23, 2003 12:04 PM

Thank you for an interesting article. How does one find a holistic vet? And do you go to both, or just use a holistic vet?

Thanks,

ellen

gocatgo Mar 25, 2003 09:05 PM

Christie, It is a very interesting subject and one that I'd like to pursue. I keep thinking that I should feed my cats a holistic diet - raw food and all of that but have no idea where to even start.

Can you recommend some books on the subject and maybe where a person goes to even look for a holistic vet? Is it time consuming to fix a raw food diet? I wonder if this can be done in addition to their regular food or does it replace it? I leave for work at 4AM and wouldn't have time to fix them raw food before leaving for work in the morning.

It is something that I've been considering though because I have three overweight girls and one boy who gets UTIs which is probably due to eating dry food. The vet put him on Science Diet C/D but he doesn't like it and will eat the other cat's Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul instead.

Any advice or help that you can give me on this will be greatly appreciated.
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I kiss my cats on the lips!

PHMadameAlto Mar 27, 2003 08:39 PM

Here is one link I found among many when I went to google.com and typed in "BARF diet" cats. Try it and see how much info you can pull up!
Feeding Cats for Maximum Health, Billinghurst way

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gocatgo Mar 28, 2003 09:21 PM

Here's one that's very interesting!
Feeding Raw Food

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Ruby and the Kitties
Simba, Samantha, Katrina & KatyKatt
Meow!! Meow!! Meow!! Meow!!

I kiss my cats on the lips!

Deerhounds Apr 06, 2003 11:10 PM

>>Can you recommend some books on the subject and maybe where a person goes to even look for a holistic vet?

I would start with the book Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats by Richard Pitcairn DVM and Susan Hubble Pitcairn. It is excellent and includes many different diets, including a couple of VERY simple ones you can make when you are pressed for time.

>> Is it time consuming to fix a raw food diet? I wonder if this can be done in addition to their regular food or does it replace it? I leave for work at 4AM and wouldn't have time to fix them raw food before leaving for work in the morning.

I only make the cats' food about once every two or three weeks. I prepare it, I put it in tupperware type containers, and I store it in the freezer. Then I just pull each one out the night before, dish it out in the AM for their morning meal, and pop it in the fridge, then use the rest for their evening meal. It really couldn't be easier! I use the recipe Fatty Feline Fare from Dr. Pitcairn's book.

I gave suggestions on finding a holistic vet in my last post.

GOOD LUCK! This is a great journey!
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Christie Keith
Caber Feidh Scottish Deerhounds
Holistic Husbandry since 1986
Meet the Felines!

gocatgo Apr 08, 2003 10:22 PM

>>I would start with the book Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats by Richard Pitcairn DVM and Susan Hubble Pitcairn. It is excellent and includes many different diets, including a couple of VERY simple ones you can make when you are pressed for time.

>>I only make the cats' food about once every two or three weeks. I prepare it, I put it in tupperware type containers, and I store it in the freezer. Then I just pull each one out the night before, dish it out in the AM for their morning meal, and pop it in the fridge, then use the rest for their evening meal. It really couldn't be easier! I use the recipe Fatty Feline Fare from Dr. Pitcairn's book.
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>>I gave suggestions on finding a holistic vet in my last post.
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>>GOOD LUCK! This is a great journey!!

Sounds good. I'll search at the book stores for the book by Dr. Pitcairn and order it if necessary. This sounds like something that I'd like to do for my cats who are still young enough to not have any health problems caused by unhealthy food.

It would be pretty simple if a person only has to prepare the meals 2 or 3 times a week and then freeze until serving time. This is something that I'm definitely going to check in to and hopefully get them on the right track for healthy eating! Thanks for the advice, it sounds like a wonderful journey. I'll let you know the results.
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Ruby and the Kitties
Simba, Samantha, Katrina &; KatyKatt
Meow!! Meow!! Meow!! Meow!!

To err is human, to purr is feline.

Deerhounds Apr 06, 2003 11:07 PM

>>Thank you for an interesting article. How does one find a holistic vet? And do you go to both, or just use a holistic vet?
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I use a variety of vets, depending on what my cats need. Mostly I use my holistic vet for my cats, because she does lab work etc. now - she didn't used to but she has joined a new practice.

I use regular vets more for my dogs, if they need special diagnostics or surgery or something like that.

You can find a holistic vet by starting at this link:

www.naturalholistic.com/nhpc/referral.htm

I also have an article on my website about finding a holistic vet:

www.caberfeidh.com/Vet.htm

Good luck to you!
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Christie Keith
Caber Feidh Scottish Deerhounds
Holistic Husbandry since 1986
Meet the Felines!

tabbypoodle Apr 02, 2003 01:33 AM

Christie, I wish you would join the yahoogroups CRF support group and post this! It would be a HUGE help to a LOT of hearsick owners!
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Heidi and her "kids"
Schatzi ---- Kitty & people loveing Tuxedo SPoo
Corkie --- Little Miss Incredible VAS Tabby
Kotton --- Blue Eyed Siamese sweetheart
with SYN MIN Minnie, God and Heaven's MOST PURRFECT ANGEL at the bridge

Deerhounds Apr 06, 2003 11:11 PM

>>Christie, I wish you would join the yahoogroups CRF support group and post this! It would be a HUGE help to a LOT of hearsick owners!

Heidi, what is the URL to join?
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Christie Keith
Caber Feidh Scottish Deerhounds
Holistic Husbandry since 1986
Meet the Felines!

tabbypoodle Apr 07, 2003 12:12 AM

Here is the URL! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/
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Heidi and her "kids"
Schatzi ---- Kitty & people loveing Tuxedo SPoo
Corkie --- Little Miss Incredible VAS Tabby
Kotton --- Blue Eyed Siamese sweetheart
with SYN MIN Minnie, God and Heaven's MOST PURRFECT ANGEL at the bridge

tourmalinequeen Dec 01, 2003 05:01 PM

I would like to agree with the first letter. My 15 yr old domestic shorthair was diagnosed with kidney disease two yrs. ago. They also advised a low protein diet, she hated the canned prescription stuff, refused it, got skeletally skinny. I started cooking her baked chicken which I put in the food processor with either grated raw zucchini or canned whole kernel corn, some organic baby food squash and a big dollop of nutritional yeast flakes. She has regained her weight and is a sassy girl two yrs later. Have her kidney values changed? I don't know, haven't bothered to check as she has never looked better in her life.

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