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Any antibiotics to AVOID?

WeWantClawz Oct 06, 2005 12:51 PM

Ok, I'll try to keep this short and not too confusing. My new cat from the shelter, for now being called Dazzle, broke with a UTI we think (blood in the urine, not peeing a normal amount, etc - she's not been nice enough to donate a sample to test yet). The problem is she's also got HCM. I forgot to grab her pill bottles, and I can't remember what she's taking off the top of my head - I think it's just the standard treatment.

So, are there any antibiotics we need to avoid? Just making sure, I trust my vet (I best, seeing as he's my employer) but in 8 years, I don't think we've seen many cases, I think Dazzle is the 3rd or 4th case he's seen. So, he's already admitted, he's not sure what's the best options for Dazzle, but he and I are both doing research. She's only a baby yet, hoping to keep her around for a while!

Thanks!
Maddy and Dazzle

Replies (5)

PHMadameAlto Oct 08, 2005 05:51 PM

I've been trying to find an answer to your concerns, but haven't had much luck so far. I had hoped that by promoting this post someone who might know the answer could help out. That doesn't seem to be working either!

The best I can tell you is to trust your vet - especially since you work for him! It sounds like he is up to snuff on everything.

Let us know how the kitty does!
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Smile, it will make them wonder what you are up to!

Deerhounds Oct 08, 2005 11:49 PM

Cats don't get the frequent UTIs that dogs do, and more frequently get FLUTD, which is a blockage due to crystals or stones in the urine. Since you don't have a diagnosis I'm a little nervous about you just giving antibiotics and hoping for the best.

The gold standard for diagnosing a urinary tract infection is the same for dogs and cats: Take a sterile urine sample by cystocentesis (a free catch is a poor second choice, as it's usually contaminated by contact with the outer urinary tract and skin and fur), and do a urinalysis and urine culture. If the symptoms are very distressing, the cat can be started on a "good guess" antibiotic before the results of the culture are back (it takes three days), and then you can switch to an indicated antibiotic if the culture and sensitivity shows that bacteria is not sensitive to the one you're using.

If it's the right diagnosis and the right antibiotic, you should see a dramatic improvement in symptoms within 24-48 hours.

Once the cat has started on antibiotics, you can't do a urine culture, because even the wrong antibiotic can prevent the growth of bacteria in culture ... and not be enough to cure the infection. So it's best to always, always, always get that urine sample prior to starting antibiotic therapy.

It's best to do a follow up urine culture after the antibiotic therapy is done to be absolutely sure you got the infection. Most recurrent urinary tract infections are actually just the SAME infection that was never fully eradicated.

And the only way to know if your cat is having repeated urine infections, which can indicate an underlying problem such as thyroid disease, a structural defect, etc., or having a relapse of the same infection that's never really eradicated, is by doing these urine cultures. Without that, you're shooting blind and potentially giving an inappropriate treatment, wasting time and having your kitty suffer needlessly.

If this were my cat, I'd do an xray if you didn't already, and discuss with your vet if there is a way to get a urine culture done even though you have started antibiotics. There are supposedly tubes with little crystals in them that absorb the drug residue in the urine, however, in recent years I haven't had any luck locating them. Your vet might want to phone the lab that does his urine cultures and ask them what they suggest. But I wouldn't just wait, especially if after 48 hours in the antibiotics the cat isn't almost completely normal.

Good luck!
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Christie Keith
Caber Feidh Scottish Deerhounds
Holistic Husbandry since 1986
Meet the Felines!

WeWantClawz Oct 10, 2005 02:24 PM

We did a cysto on Dazzle (she needs a better name, but that will come along later) - massive bacteria count. Culture results showed it was sensitive towards Clavamox which she's on now. No crystals, and x-ray was clear.

She's back home and peeing normally - it's been 36 hours on Clavamox, so I think we are doing well on that regard.

On her HCM side - she's on lasix, enacard, and diltiazem. I will say, she's a holy terror to medicate and we are NOT having fun with this. Compounding pharmacy is up next. I think they get half my paycheck some times, with the other kids medications there. She's also getting Vit E in her wet food, a taurine capsule in her wet food now 3x a week and Pet-Tinic. She's eating Solid Gold cat food, some dry, but mostly their mixed canned food. She also likes Merrick canned food, but I don't have much of that, so I need to order some more.

I swear, one of these days I'm adopting a nice, normal, healthy cat with all 18 claws. Then I won't know what to do, because I wouldn't have to baby them about their sore feet and I wouldn't have to be pilling them, or sticking needles in them all the time.

Thanks!
Maddy

Deerhounds Oct 10, 2005 02:44 PM

EXCELLENT news! Please keep us posted on how Dazzle does. (I kind of like that name, actually. Why do you want to change it?)

I know what you mean about wanting a healthy cat for once. A friend (hi, MC!) keeps trying to get me to adopt longhaired rescue cats, and I keep telling her that after having my beloved Samson who I miss horribly but was nightmare to groom, I am simply never, ever having a longhaired cat again. I know, never say never, but.... ack.

I also can't take another senior kitty in renal failure just yet, either. Why I adopted a 14 and a half year old guy with what the vet called "ten years of deferred dental work" and failing kidneys is beyond me. I believe it is related to the tattoo on my forehead, the one that says "sucker." Do you have that same tattoo? <G>

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Christie Keith
Caber Feidh Scottish Deerhounds
Holistic Husbandry since 1986
Meet the Felines!

PHKitkat Oct 09, 2005 05:26 PM

Hi,

What you can do to be extra-safe is look up each drug your kitty is prescribed in the PDR (Physician's Desk Reference Veterinary Edition) or even online. Check out the contraindication section to see whether the particular drug or drugs are safe for cats with HCM. Perhaps your vet will even be willing to do this for you. If not, and you find information online, maybe you can print it out for him or her. It will be a learning experience for both of you.

I wish you the best of luck with your baby

Regards,
PHKitkat

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