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I am not having much luck looking around. If anyone knows where there are any for sale i'd love to snatch them up. I currently have 1.1 and would like 1.2 more. Thanks in advance,
John

Check out pet finder.com and see if any animal resues have some that meet your needs. Rescue retics are a dime a dozen and you should have some luck. I know that the Mid Atlantic Reptile Show associates with a very active reptile rescue group and i believe that adevertise on Petfinder.

Winslow

The only true CBB bali's you can find, Notah produced. He posts here, you might want to ask him. I saw you selling your other bali's on [bleep], saying that you had to make room for your dorm, and they didn't allow big snakes there. Now your looking for another pair. What gives?? Did you take a hit off of one of your bigger ones??

It bleeped out where I said Fauna's ads.

I've actually decided to stay home rather then get rid of the retics. I changed what i want to do in life and i'm going with it. Florida fish and game, can't wait! Since i'll be staying at home I don't need to get rid of anything . Anyways Notah has 1.1 adult bali's, and he's not selling them. I don't want babies. For one to say his are the only ones is hard to believe. As I know of another place that has sucessfully bred them. Mine were bought as c.b.b. and i'm not sure if they are or not. They don't have the typical w.c. bali attitude i'll tell you that for sure! Mine are as sweet as they get. Well there is the wholestory. Only one i'm getting rid of is my smallest one because I like the darker ones with the silver sides rather then the real light colored ones.
John
P.S. Bali's aren't common and i can't see finding one for adoption. Although i'll be looking!

My male is 6yrs old and 10ft. He was feed less to keep him smaller. I wish this wasn't the case but what can you do. My female that i'm keeping is 6ft and growing! An adult pair of Bali yellow head retics were sold by Puget Sound Reptiles (http://www.homestead.com/PSReptiles/SnakesforSale.html) This pair was 14ft plus in length. I've also heard of a 20ft individual, not sure if it's true but i wouldn't doubt it. Notah's bali's were not orignally c.b. and most w.c. snakes are smaller then the true sizes that they can reach. Such as the true dwarf retics that have come in. 6, 7, 8ft now there are people with 14ft jampea's! Just some insight,
John

I would like to know who else has produced balis if you dont mind? That is being becides the CH animals coming from the islands. There is a tendancy for people to put a C and B before everything they sell, as far as I am conserned without a breeder they are just selling Crap & BS. I have seen offered several Y/H retics labled as Balis that without proof they are actualy Bali animals, are still just Y/H retics IMO. We all know that most Y/H retics can get huge, but from what I have seen and heard the balis are still very small, with most wild animals reported being around or under 10ft. Everyone still expects these animals will be larger in captivity but I feal that 20ft may also be a real stretch. Any verified information on Balis would be definetly appreciated. As well as any other locales. On a simular note, My largest Female Jampea is longer than 10', but if you know anyone with a verified 14ft pure Jampea I would love to know who, so I can get some information and photos for a project?

-Thanks Shaun D

I've never seen any other CBB Bali's produced, other then Notah Howe, and if there was so I think the retic community would of heard about it by now. Now Captive Born, or Farm Hatched is a different story, as that is not considered Captive Bred. If someone has bali's over 14 feet, it would be very hard for me to belive they were true bali retics. Any chance you could snap some photos of your stock and post them?? And I've never even heard of a female Jampea 14ft long, and I'm in contact with many retic breeders, and none of them seem to have ever heard of that, and remind you they do have CBB raised adults by now.

I'm not sure where i heard 14ft i need to look around and confirm that one. Nerd has a 13ft Jampea. On the Bali's feel free to check out the web site and e-mail them. Doubt all you want but from what i've heard bali's can get well over 10ft. My male was underfed to keep him smaller and is at 10.4ft 6yrs old. I'm currently fattening him up to the size he should be. I've heard of 5yr old monitors that had stunted growth when giving the access to food and heat have had pretty big growth spirts. Mine are true bali's and i hope to produce them in the next year.
John

I'd still consider that "dearf" by definition. For a species that averages 16 foot for males and 20 foot for females, 10 foot males and even 14 foot females sounds pretty dwarfy. Sheer mass-wise, that is probably less than 1/3 the the actual size and weight (even if 2/3 the length). So to me it still applies.

>>I'm not sure where i heard 14ft i need to look around and confirm that one. Nerd has a 13ft Jampea. On the Bali's feel free to check out the web site and e-mail them. Doubt all you want but from what i've heard bali's can get well over 10ft. My male was underfed to keep him smaller and is at 10.4ft 6yrs old. I'm currently fattening him up to the size he should be. I've heard of 5yr old monitors that had stunted growth when giving the access to food and heat have had pretty big growth spirts. Mine are true bali's and i hope to produce them in the next year.
>>John
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Human "progress" equates to nature's demise.

My female Jampea Breeder is near 13' also, alot larger than the WC stock she originated from as a baby. Still quiet small though considering she is a retic. As for Balis you say that you have done some reserch I am just intrested in finding what I can. So if you have any helpful info on Balis I would appreciate it. Feel free to email me. Most people no longer consider Balis to be dwarf retics, and truthfuly to me they have the build of the larger animals, but I have yet to find any info leading me to belive they are very large either. Is possible that on Bali (being heavily populated) these animals are killed when they get very large and thus noticed? I am not trying to say either way, however retics breeding at 7-11' make me wonder.

I have a 6ft female bali retic i need to weighed her again but the last time i weighted her she was 5lbs. I'm currently beefing her up for next season in which she should be ready. The way she is being feed I should have a good idea of how large bali retics can grow. I'm planning on a 12-14ft bali but who know's maybe she will get bigger then that. I have heard of a 20fter but have no proff, just going by word of mouth and you know how that is. The 14ft pair on the website in one of my earlier posting is for real. They have been sold, but they would have no problem answering your questions. My male is 10ft 4inches and was being fed every 3 weeks a jumbo rat or small rabbit. Givin the right food intake i believe he could of reached 12-14ft no problem. I'll find out with my female. Untill Notah Howe's babies are raised one may not know the true size of a bali retic. Although alot of it has to do with genetics, and one pair of snakes that produced some babies isn't enough to base a whole population on. I plan on picking up a pair of notah's babies here real soon to add to my bali collection.
John

You also hear about them not breeding, and they have a nasty attitude. Most of the stock out there is W.C. Most of the W.C. retics i have seen are nasty. From what i've seen c.b. stock is MUCH calmer. My stock is supposedly c.b. but i'll never know. All i can say is that they are all calm once out of the cage. I'm talking i can put them around my neck and let them do what they want. Personally dwarf or not I feel it is the most beautiful of all the "little giants". Yellow head retics are by far my favorite! I'm looking to get a pair of sulawesi's possable a little later. By the time daytona hits i'll have saved enough money to start on my dwarf projects which includes every dwarf on the market! (jampea, kayaudi, and superdwarfs) Possably an albino? Who knows that's thinking pretty far ahead. Have any questions feel free to e-mail me or call.
John
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