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4wk old kittens/unwell mother. LONG post with pictures to make up for it!

icequeen Apr 06, 2005 05:22 PM

Hello everyone.
This is my first post in this forum. I'm hoping some of you who are more experienced with whelping can help me out a little.

Here are the details:

In mid January, when it was bitterly cold here in Ontario Canada, we brought in a stray little girl kitty. She has been roaming the neighbourhood for about a year now, but when I saw her eating sunflower seed shells in my neighbours back yard, I couldn't stand it anymore. I finally gained her trust, snatched her up and brought her home. We already have 2 resident cats (ones at least 11, and the other is about 4, both are spayed females), along with an Ark full of other animals as well.

Anyway, this scrawny little calico kitty, bone thin, and totally unaccustomed to human contact took up residence in our basement. She bonded with my husband, and became "his cat".
Over the next 8 weeks, we watched her belly grow at a very alarming rate, with the rest of her body remaining quite thin.

Yup. Pregnant.

On March 8th, Gabby (this cat NEVER stops talking!) went into labour at lunchtime. The first baby was born at 8:30 that night, and 4 babies were born between 8:30 and 10:30 that night.
She did everything she was supposed to do with her babies. Cleaned them up, began nursing them as soon as they were ready.
At 10:30, her belly was still rather big, and I could feel movement inside still. I work midnights, so I headed off to work, leaving my 16 year old daughter to watch over Gabby.
When I got home at 7 the next morning...still no more babies.
But, there was still movement in her tummy.

Off to the vet we went. Gabby had "dystocia". Absolutely no contractions taking place, even after an injection of Oxytocin to try and restart labout.
After an x-ray, we could see that there were still 2 babies inside. One laying in position as though it was ready to be delivered, and another kitten with it's head facing toward Gabby's spine, and it's bum facing toward her belly, but the kitten was in a very alarming S shape, when it's head hyperextended backward.
Gabby underwent an emergency hysterectomy to get the kittens out.
The kitten in the odd position was stillborn, as I expected it to be, but the other little fellow was delivered with a heartbeat, but not breathing. The vet gave him mouth to mouth, and stimulated him with some rough rubbing with a towel to get him breathing on his own. After a couple of hours "Thumbs" began nursing on his own (he is the only one of the kittens born with extra thumbs, just like his mom has. We joked with the vet that maybe his big thumbs got caught on something, and that was what was keeping him from being born!).

Gabby has been an absolutely amazing little mom. Considering she had that huge incision on her belly, and of course her tummy had been shaved bare, she still nursed her babies like a trooper, even though they would mistake her incision for a nipple and try to suck on it (OUCH!!!). Her naked tummy was all scratched up from those little unretracted kitten claws, and she still didn't reject them. Each kitten grew by leaps and bounds and all reached their milestones as they should...except Thumbs. He does everything slower than his siblings. We think he might be...special.

Fast forward to this past Saturday. My daughter brought Gabby to me and said, look at her nipple mom!
Ugh!
Swollen, hot, very hard, very very red, with the nipple itself almost purple. I was unable to express any milk from that particular nipple.
I was thinking mastitis. Dammit!
Sunday morning, I called the vet. They assured me that mastitis in cats is very rare, and that it could wait until Monday to be dealt with.
I explained that there were 5 babies relying on Gabby for thier food and nourishment, and that I didn't feel it could wait a few hours let alone another day. I explained that with the slightest amount of pressure on that nipple you could see the pus under the surface of her skin. They said bring her in then.
I ended up with the same vet that did her surgery...and I think he's just wonderful.
Sure enough, mastitis.
What more is this little girl going to go through???

Anyway, the vet said, since the babies were 4 weeks old, it's time to get them started on some "gruel". High protein kitten food, thinned down with some water. To ease some of the burden on Gabby. She is on antibiotics, and her nipple is starting to look much better.

So...after all that...here is my dilemma. Firstly, after 4 days of trying to convince these kittens to eat solid food, only one shows any interest at all. I'm at a loss as to how to get the others to give it a try. Gabby is still nursing her babies regularly, and doesn't seem particularly interested in slowing down anytime soon. So, I think they have full little milk bellies most of the time.
My next issue is, Gabby insists on her babies being downstairs, where she used to spend most of her time. Since delivering her babies, she has started coming upstairs more frequently herself, but becomes very fretful when we try to bring the babies upstairs.
We want to move them into the kitchen, as our basement is NOT kitten friendly. Like lots of other people, our basement is a storage area for boxes, furniture, bikes etc.
The kittens are now trying to climb out of the box they are in and are anxious to explore.
We have set up the kitchen with a dog proof door, and had planned to move the babies into there.
Gabby will tolerate that for about 30 minutes at a time, then she begins to try and take them back downstairs. They are much to big for her to be able to carry them around easily, and it seems to hurt them when she does get a hold of them.

So, that's my next question. How do we go about moving the babies and making Gabby feel comfortable with that?
Any suggestions or advice at this point would be greatly appreciated!
I haven't had a cat have kittens since I was a kid myself, so it's been a long time since I've had to deal with any of this. I'm a fanatic about spaying and neutering, so I've managed to avoid this scenario for a lot of years.
I'd forgotten how CUTE and exciting this can be.

Since my post is so incredibly long and probably boring...I'll make it up to you by posting pictures of mommy and babies for you to see!

Gabby and babies. See what I mean about what a good mommy she is! She looks positively blissful just to be nursing her babies, even AFTER having surgery! That's Duke, our dog, looking on and wondering if all those little baby kittens are for him.

This is "Tiny". She is the smallest of all the kittens but by far the most adventurous. She's hilarious, because she's not afraid of anything, but is SO little!
She is the only kitten that will eat the solid food I offer them.

This is "Moo". Unlike his sister, Moo is afraid of everything. He prefers to be in his kitten box rather than out in the big wide world.

The little orange kitty on your right is "Thumbs". He even looks special, don't you think? When I took Gabby to the vet on Sunday, I took Thumbs with me, so Dr. Jason could see how much he's grown. We discussed whether or not Thumbs might be delayed, and he said it's a very real possibility that he may have suffered a hypoxic brain injury from being left inside for so long after Gabby's labour had stopped. But, as he put it: "He's a cat. He'll never have to write SAT's or anything like that. All he HAS to do is eat, sleep and play, and even special kitties can do that"
Good point!

The orange and white kitten looking at the camera is "CryBaby". This little girl would complain vigorously about everything, until her eyes opened. If one of her siblings bumped into her, she'd cry, if we picked her up she'd cry...you get the idea. Now that her eyes are open she hardly makes a peep, so the "CryBaby" name doesn't really suit her anymore.

And lastly, this handsome little devil is "Bubba". Bubba was the first baby born, and has maintained his Bubbaesque physique since the day he was born. He's a big boy, with a big head, and always got the premium nipple location, top/center. Unfortunatly it was one of Bubba's favorite nipples that became infected. I thought for sure that would encourage him to eat solid food, with a somewhat decreased milk supply...but no way. He's a nursing kind of guy, no matter what!

There you have it. The newest members of my zoo!

Thanks for any help you can offer, we really appreciate it!

Kim and the gang.

Replies (9)

JaimeMarie Apr 06, 2005 06:30 PM

Oh my gosh they are so cute!
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Jaime owned by
Mya the dog
and the cats:Crash, Moxie, Gabby and sometimes Tucker

icequeen Apr 06, 2005 10:56 PM

Thank you!!
They're such little sweeties!
It will be so hard to let them go to new homes when the time comes.

PHMoxie Apr 06, 2005 09:05 PM

Gabby might not like the kittens in the kitchen because it is a high traffic area. Do you have a bathroom or a bedroom they could stay in?
The kittens will eventually eat the food you put out for them. What kind of gruel are you giving them? I have heard you should start with just KRM in a bowl. Once they are drinking out of the bowl/plate you should mix the KRM in with some solid food. Eventually cut the KRM out.

PHMoxie

icequeen Apr 06, 2005 10:37 PM

Thank you for offering some suggestions to us!

I'm not sure what KRM is. Is that a milk supplement?
So far, we've been offering prescription diet kitten food with a tablespoon or so of warm water mixed in. I've even tried some of the adult cat food, to see if it might have a more intriguing smell, but they just don't seem interested at all, except for Tiny.

We originally were going to put the babies up in my sons bedroom, which is a quiet, low traffic area, but, we need to put them in a room where the dog has no access to them. If we put them in his room, Gabby would have to be shut in there with them all the time, which I don't think she would like at all. She is very attached to my husband, and seeks him out to spend non-kitten time with him, once her babies have gone to sleep.

In the laundry room where they are right now, we installed a cat door, but we can't resonably do that for every room (although, I have seriously considered it!), because we live in a rental property.
I thought the kitchen would be good, because we can block off the doorway, but Gabby can still come and go as she pleases, by going through the "pass through" window into the dining room.

If we keep the babies in the basement, and I reorganize to make it safer and more kitten friendly, do you think it will have a negative effect on their socialization? I was thinking they'd need to be near us a little more, in order to make them more human and other animal friendly.

Thanks again for your help!

PHWildCat Apr 06, 2005 09:34 PM

The babies are adorable and Mom is beautiful. She obviously loves them very much. I agree that maybe a less busy area might please her. Remember that her instinct is to protect her babies. She feels safe in the basement, it has been her home..she isn't sure about upstairs yet. As for Thumbs, I have a "special" cat, Spottie. If he were human he would ride the little bus. He does fine and his brother and sister keep an eye on him and help him out with grooming and stuff. They are very protective of him and I have to lock him in the bathroom with me to groom him because he cries and they try to get me to stop and "save" him. He is the sweetest thing, without a mean bone in his body and the most innocent vacant eyes. Here is a picture of Spottie

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icequeen Apr 06, 2005 10:55 PM

Do you know what happened to make Spottie special?
Years ago, I had a cat named Frankie, who apparently contracted a form of the parvo virus before he was born. this caused the cerebellum portion of his brain to not develope properly. He was left with Parkinson type symptoms. His head would be in constant motion, he would fall over if he tried to turn a corner while running, and he couldn't walk on any surface that wasn't floor level. Forget sitting on a window sill...he'd fall off.
He was quite the character! He only lived to be about 3 years old, as he came down with a very severe, unmanagable case of Feline Urological syndrome. The poor guy. His "syndrome" didn't cause him any discomfort or pain, just made Frankie really really special. I still miss the big oaf.

I guess we're just going to have to let Gabby have her way as far as the location of her babies. We're kind of limited, because of our dog.
He's not the slightest bit mean to the babies...in fact it's the other way around. He tries to mother them, and because he's so much bigger than them, one lick and they go flying! My biggest worry is if he puts his paw down on one of them, either to hold it still to groom it, or even by accident that he'll hurt or kill one of them by mistake.
If he has access to them, he lays near them constantly, and is very protective of them. The big problem is, he tries to keep Gabby away from them. It seems as though he thinks she's going to hurt them or something.

Thanks for you help and your compliments on mommy and babies!

Kim

PHWildCat Apr 07, 2005 06:38 PM

No, have never known what made Spottie special. He has always been that way. All of the other kits were fine and so was Mom. He is the sweetest thing though
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A house without cats is like a garden without flowers

PHAbymom Apr 07, 2005 01:09 AM

They are adorable! I am glad to hear that Gabby is being a good mother through all her trials.

I think what was suggested above is a great idea. It's actually KMR - Kitten Milk Replacement by PetAG. They make a liquid or a powder, similar to baby formula for human babies. What I would do to start is mix it with some baby pablum (cereal) to a thin gruel. Kittens need to learn to lap up liquids. When you can start feeling teeth, you can then use the kitten food the vet suggested, again, softened with a bit of KMR instead of water. Gradually decrease the liquid and let them try eating dry. It's usually about 6 weeks of age before they can manage the totally dry, even then, some momcats still want to nurse them.

As for your special kitty, you may never know what the cause but it may have been lack of oxygen when he didn't start breathing right away.

4 weeks to 12 weeks is when kittens absorb most of their social skills as well as learning how to use a litterbox and eat on their own. But it is also the time when they will try anything and everything. Electrical cords, small spaces, climbing and all so keeping them in safe place is very important.

Good luck and keep us posted! We all love to see photos!

moncheri Apr 07, 2005 06:03 PM

Oh my gosh the new gang is adorable!!!

Gabby sure is a tropper nursing after surgery and no fur even to protect her tummy. What a MOM!

Great Photo's!!
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Cheri,Shelby,Lily & Lucy

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