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i saw ray hines hybinos at daytona and they look like albino super hypo carrottail baldies. actually to me they look like a super hypo carrottail baldie with albino eyes. i have seem some poeples site with hybinos and other peopls site with tang hypos and they look exactly the same and either way they dont look like the ones i saw at ray's table so someone please clear this up for me!!!!!!

i dont breed these so i know nothing about them
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-robin struck
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I think a lot of people call them hybinos to try and make an extra buck... same thing that is happening with some breeders posting normal hypo tangs as stripes.

The hybinos just have less/no purple I guess... it's probably a bit harder to straighten out the guidlines since the albinos don't have spots to count =(

I've been thinking about ordering a group of hybinos from Ray Hine for a while now... just havn't gotten around to it. They're pretty neat.
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-Ross Payan - www.LeosAnonymous.com

Leos Anonymous

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A line in the post above caught my eye. I know your working those killer red striped Tangs, just curious what you consider a stripe, as opposed to a normal Tang? The bottom pic in my signature, I simply call a really nice Tang, but others have e-mailed me saying what a great looking Striped Tang she is, what do you think?
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Sam
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I'm sure Ross will answer, but I had to chime in. This is coming from a guy who's been breeding, collecting and admiring from afar (really far for those who know me ) for years.

The one in the bottom of your sig looks like it was aberrant or partial stripe (banded tail?) when it was younger - looks great now by the way. What Ross is referring to, I believe, is when breeders are advertising 'stripes' who look like your once-banded super hypo in top pic in your sig. The spine creates a slightly lighter coloring down the back that some are trying to pass off as stripes. Clearly you can see where the animal was/is banded if it had not gone hypo.

Our hobby really needs to establish some standards and truth in advertising 'laws'. I believe it steers new hobbyists in the wrong direction to see these incorrectly labeled animals being advertised for top dollar when they're really middle of the road(although still nice, high-end animals) geckos who should demand similar prices as others selling similar geckos. People can't afford to get ripped off too many times, ya know? Of course they should educate themselves before dropping a lot of cash on anything, but not everyone does and it just brings the whole hobby down.

By the way, check out this Super Hypo Super Tangerine Super Carrot Tail baby with rare horizontal stripes. If you'd like to add him to your projects, I accept Paypal, Money orders or cash - only $750 plus shipping and 3% Paypal fee.

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Rob Jenkins
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I was staring at the pic, and re-reading the description, and I'm saying to myself, "What the heck is Rob smoking, and whatever it is, I hope his commanding officer doesn't find out...."
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Sam
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If I can make just one person laugh I feel like it was a good day. Too bad I'm not funny enough to be a comedian.

Have you seen the emaciated SHTCTs on the classifieds? They're being sold in a group, but the one pic looks like it hasn't eaten in a few weeks. Poor unsuspecting buyers. I really need to get a caresheet online; the more educated we make everyone the better off they and the geckos will be.

Oh yeah, please don't tell my commander about that stuff
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Rob Jenkins
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http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=10&de=148196

It's terrible that anyone would charge $750 for a group of sickly geckos... I wish there was someone to police the ads, sellers like that should not be allowed to post.
Skinny Leos Ad

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-Ross Payan - www.LeosAnonymous.com

Leos Anonymous

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Rob Jenkins
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Either that guy has a really crappy camera, or those poor things are super stressed, and cold to boot. I don't know how else you would explain their dark color. I wont even begin to mention the pencil thin tails, hate to see what the other 5 look like if those were the best 2 he had to put in the ad........
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Sam
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Wow, what a shame. That guy either thinks people are really dumb or he is in denial BIG time.

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Jeanne Leary

Very well said Rob... for an animal to be called a stripe it can NOT have a banded tail or banded body at any point in time.

The really sad thing is that some of the big names are calling the normal hypo tangs stripes... I would not hesitate to name names, but I don't want to violate the TOS.
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-Ross Payan - www.LeosAnonymous.com

Leos Anonymous

Ball Pythons, Red Striped Leos, W.Hognose and Screaming AFT's

Thanks. I agree. I have seen some of the breeders marketing the Super Hypos as having 'stripes' down the spine and I agree that it's not right. I almost bought a striped hypo from Billie Zulich (pythons.com) earlier this year at one of the maryland shows but couldn't really justify the price(it wasn't too expensive, I just wanted something else, but it was a true stripe). It was super hypo and still had the stripe tail, but didn't have the red stripe remnants that yours have.

Yours definitely are the real deal and I can't wait to get my hand on some in the future. Keep up the good work.
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Jeanne Leary

Bobby is one that is also doing it... but I was actually referring to some others as well.

The main thing is just make sure the animal at least has a striped tail... all the banded tail tangerine "stripes" are a joke, and a gross misrepresentation.

I'm glad everything worked out for you with Bobby Jeanne. =)
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-Ross Payan - www.LeosAnonymous.com

Leos Anonymous

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Basically what I have seen is that ever since the red stripes hit the scene lots of these other "stripes" have popped up. I can only assume it gives the other breeders an excuse to inflate their asking prices, but I see it as a gross missrepresentation.

The line of red stripes I am working with are the definition of a stripe... They have broken neck bands, completely striped backs, and striped tails. These are basically a line of normal stripes (that many of you work with), but these have the outstanding coloration and the carrot tail. The same rules apply that you would use when deciding if a gecko was an abbrent, jungle or stripe.

Lots of the other breeders, some very well respected, are marketing their normal tangs as stripes. They are doing this when they see that white line down the animals spine. If you look closely at every leopard gecko you will see that mark down the spine, it's just that the mark is more noticable in the hypo tangs.

You are right about the tang in your signature... while she is a killer hypo tangerine, she definitely does not have a striped tail. I'm really happy you asked this question. I hope I got my point across clearly, explaining things in writing is not my strong suite. Please let me know if I was unclear in any way, or if anyone of you have any questions.

I attached another picture of that female... take a look at her tail.

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-Ross Payan - www.LeosAnonymous.com

Leos Anonymous

Ball Pythons, Red Striped Leos, W.Hognose and Screaming AFT's

I'm smacking my head now, for some reason I never associated the normal striped tail requirement when looking at the Tangs. After paying attention to the pic Ross posted it hit me like a ton of bricks. I guess from seeing them advertised as Striped tangs, and their tails being banded, I just never made the association.

As a side note, you were correct Rob the tang in the bottom pic of my sig., daughter of the top Tang in my sig BTW, was aberrant. here is a pic of her about 10 min after hatching. The Tang really came through nice as she has matured.

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Rob Jenkins
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She Looks like a stripe or at least an aberant but with her regenerated tail I guess I will never know for sure, but on the sides of her tail at the base it has the same lines that are down her back.
I'm just curious what you think.

Ohh and that female is awsome, I love your red stripes.

Hi Sara,

Thank you for the compliments about the red stripes!

I think that female of yours is really nice... At the very least she is a nice aberant, but since she has the regenerated tail I honestly don't know if she is a stripe or not.

Either way I think you should breed her and see what kind of babies she produces, very nice female!

Thanks again for the compliment.
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-Ross Payan - www.LeosAnonymous.com

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Hey, Thanks for the compliment too!
I have no other stripes, I wanted to get a few but other projects put that on hold, so I will probably be breeding her to a really nice SHTC male since that is what I have now. I don't even know how it works with the stripes so I guess I'll see what happens. Either way I sure her babies will be nice. I just thought she was neat looking when I saw her at a show at K&N's table.

Sara

How do you get your leos from Ray Hines? I have tried but he says he can't ship them here. Do you get them when he goes to the Daytona shows?

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Jeanne Leary

I know he can ship to the US... you just have to pay like $300 for shipping and you have to meet his minimum order.

That's how it used to be at least.
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-Ross Payan - www.LeosAnonymous.com

Leos Anonymous

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Ray Hine has a few really nice Hybinos left (some with not even a blemmish) they were going for around £250

I have just got back from rays house and i now have two more little additions!!!! 1X SHTCB And a really nice super hypo tangerine het albino (hybino father)

I got two hybinos from in april and have had some lovely hatchlings which have been snapped up already

jeff

Robin, you and me must think alike, I was going to post that question tonight. Over the past several months I have seen many people market albinos as hypo. Now even though that is an improper term, lets just use it for the sake of discussion until a better term is created. What I am trying to understand is why albino geckos with increased yellow or orange pigmentation on them are being describes as hypo? If we were to use the same standards of non-albino hypos they would not be regarded as such. I personally feel that albino hypos should have very little areas between the yellow/orange pigmentation, maybe under 8-10 small spots? Geckos with large areas of pink/brown areas should just be considered as nice albinos. Like Robin I personally think that albino hypos or super hypos should look exactly like the non-albino hypos and super hypos minus the black pigmentation. Ray Hine animals are a perfect example of this.

Sorry to post link, hope Ray doesn't mind!

Like I would call these hypos

http://www.rayhine.com/images/albino01.jpg

http://www.rayhine.com/images/albino03.jpg

This would be a really nice normal, not a hypo like some people are calling them!!!

http://www.rayhine.com/images/albino02.jpg

Thanks
Justyn

>>i saw ray hines hybinos at daytona and they look like albino super hypo carrottail baldies. actually to me they look like a super hypo carrottail baldie with albino eyes. i have seem some poeples site with hybinos and other peopls site with tang hypos and they look exactly the same and either way they dont look like the ones i saw at ray's table so someone please clear this up for me!!!!!!
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>>i dont breed these so i know nothing about them
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>>-robin struck
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Justyn
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Hi Robin
In my opinion a true Hybino has to have a completely tangerine head and body, the carrot tail is an extra bonus to that. There are few different way how you can get them, Ray Hyne crossed the albino with the SHCT to get those. I am trying to get them by selective breeding, which is going to be harder to get to the goal but I think the tangerine color on the body of the gecko is a little more orange than the one that Ray has. I am not trying to say that mine are better, I am just saying that the way I am getting there is more difficult and the orange on the body may be a little brighter. This is in my opinion. The gecko in this PIC is a very nice tangerine albino, or a hypo albino but not an Hybino yet.
Alberto

ok soooooo ray hines are hybino ... basically a shct baldie albino.. now alberto is trying to get to this by selectively breeding... soooo maybe what ray has is hybino a super hypo albino baldie and what albero has or is working towards a tang hybino?. would this statement be more accurate??.. im just trying to figure all this out
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-robin struck
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Yes, Robin that is pretty much what I think. I wanted to call my project a patternless tangerine albino, but someone told me that this name would have been misleading because my line does not carries the patternless genes, but is a result of selective breeding and I follow the suggestion in favor of my customers and my only other option is to call them hybino tangerine.
Alberto

What would you guys call this gecko, its back ground has hypo blood in it.

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-robin struck
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